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Bama 2011, tOSU 2015, and the CFP committee
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:49 am
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:49 am
Yeah, I know the BCS and the CFP are alleged to be 'different,' but...
tOSU is certainly one of the top four teams in CF this season, but will not be a conference champ. We all know the uproar that occurred in '11 after the title game was set with Bama not even winning their own division. That continues to be debated around here regularly.
After 1/9/12, B1G commish Delaney was one of the biggest, most vocal proponents that a conference champ should be THE primary requirement for the CFP committee to consider when choosing the four teams for the playoffs.
What happens if UNC upsets Clemson? Shouldn't UNC automatically get a slot as a one-loss conference champion?
Would the B1G leadership stand by their 2012 position or will they lobby to get two B1G teams in this year?
tOSU is certainly one of the top four teams in CF this season, but will not be a conference champ. We all know the uproar that occurred in '11 after the title game was set with Bama not even winning their own division. That continues to be debated around here regularly.
After 1/9/12, B1G commish Delaney was one of the biggest, most vocal proponents that a conference champ should be THE primary requirement for the CFP committee to consider when choosing the four teams for the playoffs.
What happens if UNC upsets Clemson? Shouldn't UNC automatically get a slot as a one-loss conference champion?
Would the B1G leadership stand by their 2012 position or will they lobby to get two B1G teams in this year?
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:51 am to Sid E Walker
Lol what do you think. We all know the answer.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:55 am to Sid E Walker
I would expect the tone to become very Saban-like.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:56 am to Sid E Walker
We all know that tOSU is one of the most talented teams in the country. They've played two teams with a pulse, one was a disaster and the other looked good.
We should be comparing them to 2010 Bama, not 2011. 2011 Alabama had a much better resume. 2010 Bama was like tOSU, incredibly talented but not a great team.
We should be comparing them to 2010 Bama, not 2011. 2011 Alabama had a much better resume. 2010 Bama was like tOSU, incredibly talented but not a great team.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:32 am to Crimson Legend
I think he is comparing then to 2011 Bama, not the team, but the situation, as BCS championship game is harder to get into than playoff game.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:37 am to Sid E Walker
I think the difference here is the committee has stated conference championships will be given a large amount of consideration. There wasn't any such stipulation in the BCS system to the best of my knowledge.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:43 am to Stingray
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I think he is comparing then to 2011 Bama, not the team, but the situation
Yes, the situation as it relates B1G leadership should Clemson lose. Do they keep quiet and accept the committee leaving out tOSU or do they show themselves as hypocritical vaginas?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:44 am to Sid E Walker
I like the premise of the OP. But OSU shot itself in the foot with that catastrophe in Columbus. If Connor Cook played that night for Sparty, they win by three TDs, not 3 points. Cook is that good of a quarterback. Then again maybe the Buckeyes change their offensive game plan and score some more points. Bottom line is Bama will be a conference champion and will deserve to go. The Buckeyes will need lots of help. But if the other teams drop the ball in their last games, they should give OSU consideration. But I think that UNC would not have a case because their schedule is much worse than OSU.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:47 am to Stingray
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I think he is comparing then to 2011 Bama, not the team, but the situation, as BCS championship game is harder to get into than playoff game.
Right, I got that, and I should have made my point clearer. The situations aren't that similar because 2011 Alabama had more evidence that they belonged. This buckeye team we all believe to be excellent, but what have they done on the field? Struggled against subpar competition all year, fell apart against a good team, then beat Michigan who by all rights should have lost to MSU and not be ranked.
We all know Ohio State is very talented. We all know what many of these same players did last year. But college football is about the best TEAM, and this buckeye team hasn't proven itself as a team.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:49 am to Crimson Legend
This year, tOSU's season has almost mirrored UF's 2009 season. Very similar.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:53 am to Sid E Walker
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tOSU is certainly one of the top four teams in CF this season
It's bullshite like this that ruins college football.
There is NO certainty in that statement. How do we KNOW who the best team is? We generally acknowledge that the winner of the championship game is the champions and therefore the best team in college football. Why don't we use the same criteria for conference champions? If you win the championship, you're the best team.
Why people insist on 'wildcards', 'at-large', 'byes', 'mulligans', whatever, I have no idea. Just have champions play for it all and frick all that childish crap.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:56 am to Sid E Walker
I think it's more like FSU last season, although the Buckeyes haven't needed the late minute scoring drives like the Noles last year. Tons of talent, playing down to competition except against Michigan, and largely untested. It is hard to get challenges in the ACC and Big Ten every week. But that could be changing with good hires. UM and Sparty and OSU and Penn State have very good coaches. Northwestern & Iowa too. Wisconsin remains to be seen. Nebraska dropped the ball by firing Pellini a year early. But that Florida team in '09 won the Sugar against an overmatched Cincinnati team. It looks like OSU will end up in the Fiesta against a very good Houston team, but maybe defensively overmatched.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 8:58 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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It's bullshite like this that ruins college football.
Actually, it's bullshite like this is what has made CFB as big as it is. We bitch about preseason polls, postseason polls, and who was ranked where when the game occurred as opposed to where said team was ranked at the end of the year.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:02 am to Crimson Legend
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2011 Alabama had a much better resume.
Beating one ranked team?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:08 am to Sid E Walker
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tOSU is certainly one of the top four teams in CF this season
Actually, it's bullshite like this is what has made CFB as big as it is.
Actually it's the combination of a playoff while still trying to retain a poll system is ruining it. Go with either a playoff or a poll, not both.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:12 am to ChunkyLover54
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2011 Alabama had a much better resume.
Beating one ranked team?
"ranked" is really an arbitrary cutoff. If you go top 35 or top 40, and compare it to this year's tOSU team, the point will be made.
And an overtime loss to LSU (an extremely "proven" team deserving of being #1) showed everyone that Bama was at that level. That game against LSU alone put 2011 Bama in a different category from this year's buckeyes. What game can you point to show us that tOSU can play with the best teams in the country?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:19 am to WildTchoupitoulas
A real playoff would require so much change it would be difficult to pull off. With the number of teams in FBS, a playoff with entry determined based on some sort of poll is about all you can do.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:29 am to Sneaky__Sally
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With the number of teams in FBS, a playoff with entry determined based on some sort of poll is about all you can do.
We could see an 8-team playoff sooner rather than later.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:33 am to Sneaky__Sally
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A real playoff would require so much change it would be difficult to pull off. With the number of teams in FBS, a playoff with entry determined based on some sort of poll is about all you can do.
Spot on. It sounds so easy, but it's not. The NFL playoff system works because the quality of teams across the league is nowhere near the gap as in college football. The worst teams in the NFL win games against the better teams on a fairly regular basis. That's just not true in cfb...and there are many more teams.
Any playoff MUST include all conference champs. To do anything else is not a real playoff, because you have to have a path for every team to play itself into a championship. BUT as soon as you do that, you've got weak teams from weak conferences winning an automatic spot and leaving out teams that are clearly better because they aren't conference champs.
In a real playoff, all this "eye test" and sos bullshite is irrelevant. What we have today is essentially the BCS with 4 teams instead of 2, and a committee instead of a poll system.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:34 am to Sneaky__Sally
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A real playoff would require so much change it would be difficult to pull off.
Not difficult at all, 8 conference champions playing in a tournament of champions. No byes, no wildcards, no mulligans. Win your conference, you in. There is no fairer way. Additionally, any other system minimizes the conference championship.
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a playoff with entry determined based on some sort of poll is about all you can do.
If you're going to use opinions, why not just rank all the teams at the end of the year based on opinions?
I have yet to see a valid argument against 8 conference champions.
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