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Arkansas vs Alabama: Who was the REAL 1964 CFB National Champion?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:41 pm
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:43 pm to I-59 Tiger
I know LSU lost to Troy but it's not the off-season yet.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:44 pm to I-59 Tiger
This really isn't a debate.
Arkansas went 11-0 with a victory over Texas.
Alabama went 10-1 with a loss to Texas.
The situation was so terrible that the AP changed their voting until AFTER the bowl games.
Arkansas went 11-0 with a victory over Texas.
Alabama went 10-1 with a loss to Texas.
The situation was so terrible that the AP changed their voting until AFTER the bowl games.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:44 pm to I-59 Tiger
ND
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:46 pm to I-59 Tiger
Idk man, probably the team who is in possession of both the AP & Coaches Poll trophies. 
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:47 pm to I-59 Tiger
The AP and UPI trophies are in the Bryant Museum in Tuscaloosa...
I always love how other fans ridicule Bama for claiming non-AP OR UPI championships but then Arkansas fans say Bama has no claim in 1964.
I guess if it's all they've got...
I always love how other fans ridicule Bama for claiming non-AP OR UPI championships but then Arkansas fans say Bama has no claim in 1964.
I guess if it's all they've got...
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:49 pm to Killean
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This really isn't a debate.
agreed as in there isnt a clear cut champion...
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The situation was so terrible that the AP changed their voting until AFTER the bowl games.
Bowls were different then,
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:50 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Idk man, probably the team who is in possession of both the AP & Coaches Poll trophies.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:50 pm to Killean
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The situation was so terrible that the AP changed their voting until AFTER the bowl games.
And then the exact opposite happened. Arkansas went unbeaten, but lost in the bowl, allowing 1 loss Alabama to win it in 1965.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:54 pm to I-59 Tiger
I remember thinking at the time that Arkansas had a better year. Been a while though.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:55 pm to I-59 Tiger
Major poll winners aren't "real" champions?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:56 pm to Killean
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The situation was so terrible that the AP changed their voting until AFTER the bowl games.
And it gave Alabama the title again in 1965. Under the '64 rules, Arkansas would have likely been voted champ.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:56 pm to I-59 Tiger
I don't know, man. Maybe if the voting authorities of the time had given some sort of keepsake or memento to the team that they chose as the champion for that year, and that team still maintained that keepsake or memento in some sort of museum or historical display for anyone to go and see, then maybe there would be some way to know. But what kind of world would that be?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:57 pm to Master of Sinanju
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And then the exact opposite happened. Arkansas went unbeaten, but lost in the bowl, allowing 1 loss Alabama to win it in 1965.
But even if the AP did the final poll before the bowls that season it wouldn't have mattered for Arkansas since they were #2 behind Michigan State.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:19 pm to I-59 Tiger
Get a load of these guys. Broyles in the center.
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The Grantland Rice Trophy was an annual award presented in the United States from 1954 to 2013 to the college football team recognized by the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA) as the National Champions.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:46 pm to I-59 Tiger
Bama is going to claim it, Arkansas is going to claim it and both have hardware to back up their claim. I'm fine with that.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:47 pm to I-59 Tiger
Joe Namath scored on the play officials said he didn't.
Them cheat'n arse refs have always tried to fuk Alabama!
Them cheat'n arse refs have always tried to fuk Alabama!
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:58 pm to The Hawg Marshal
Bama claims 1941 Championship despite finishing third in the SEC behind champ Mississippi State and Tenn.
Minnesota was the AP champ that year (State was #16 and Bama #20 in the AP)
Not sure what obscure poll the Tide used to claim that one.
Using the Elephants strategy State should claim 1940 as NC. We finished 10-0-1 second behind UT in the SEC 5-0 to 4-0-1 but UT lost their bowl game and State won the Orange Bowl.
Minnesota was the AP champ that year (State was #16 and Bama #20 in the AP)
Not sure what obscure poll the Tide used to claim that one.
Using the Elephants strategy State should claim 1940 as NC. We finished 10-0-1 second behind UT in the SEC 5-0 to 4-0-1 but UT lost their bowl game and State won the Orange Bowl.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:07 pm to I-59 Tiger
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The AP and UPI trophies are in the Bryant Museum in Tuscaloosa...
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:09 pm to Godawgs4
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Bama claims 1941 Championship despite finishing third in the SEC behind champ Mississippi State and Tenn.
Minnesota was the AP champ that year (State was #16 and Bama #20 in the AP)
Not sure what obscure poll the Tide used to claim that one.
Using the Elephants strategy State should claim 1940 as NC. We finished 10-0-1 second behind UT in the SEC 5-0 to 4-0-1 but UT lost their bowl game and State won the Orange Bowl.
Miss St couldn't claim 1940. They didn't get any selections in the records book.
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