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Anti-SEC Bias in the NCAA Softball Tournament
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:50 pm
So, you've been listening to the TV announcers denigrate the SEC and glorify the PAC-12 in softball? There is a reason. The PAC hasn't won a title since 2011 and that was the first one in a while. The PAC used to be synonymous with softball. They have all the history. They have all the royalty. No one east of the Mississippi River ever won the title until Alabama did it just a few years ago. But, things have changed and most of the softball world is not happy about it at all.
The SEC has had a difficult time with overt bias against it from the people who run softball, who were all from the PAC 12 until softball became a televised sport and its popularity exceeded many other college sports. They had to be more subtle. The NCAA tournament was always setup to favor the PAC 12. That hasn't changed, though.
So, it the below proof, or just circumstance?
In the regional scheduling:
All SEC teams who played other conferences in the first round were lower seeds playing on the road.
The entire PAC 12 was a higher seed playing at home.
The entire PAC 12 avoided anyone scheduled in their brackets in another conference ranked in the top 16! except James Madison. They faced 1 in their own conference. The SEC faced 7 plus 2 in their own conference.
The PAC 12 avoided facing 8 of the top 9 ERA pitchers in the nation in their brackets. The SEC faced 7 of the top 9 in theirs. (#10 is a PAC 12 pitcher).
The PAC 12 avoided the number one seed (Florida), avoided the number one ranked team at the end of the year (Minnesota), avoided the only ranked ACC team (FSU), and avoided the only big 12 team ranked in the top 15 (Oklahoma).
They avoided playing any major conference champion.
The SEC played 5 major conference champions: the PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, AND SEC!
You can't do that accidentally, can you?
The SEC has had a difficult time with overt bias against it from the people who run softball, who were all from the PAC 12 until softball became a televised sport and its popularity exceeded many other college sports. They had to be more subtle. The NCAA tournament was always setup to favor the PAC 12. That hasn't changed, though.
So, it the below proof, or just circumstance?
In the regional scheduling:
All SEC teams who played other conferences in the first round were lower seeds playing on the road.
The entire PAC 12 was a higher seed playing at home.
The entire PAC 12 avoided anyone scheduled in their brackets in another conference ranked in the top 16! except James Madison. They faced 1 in their own conference. The SEC faced 7 plus 2 in their own conference.
The PAC 12 avoided facing 8 of the top 9 ERA pitchers in the nation in their brackets. The SEC faced 7 of the top 9 in theirs. (#10 is a PAC 12 pitcher).
The PAC 12 avoided the number one seed (Florida), avoided the number one ranked team at the end of the year (Minnesota), avoided the only ranked ACC team (FSU), and avoided the only big 12 team ranked in the top 15 (Oklahoma).
They avoided playing any major conference champion.
The SEC played 5 major conference champions: the PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, AND SEC!
You can't do that accidentally, can you?
This post was edited on 5/30/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:53 pm to TheRaid
I think that these may be valid points but also that you'll discover that nobody really cares about softball details.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:55 pm to TheRaid
I claim anti-sec bias based on the strike zone we had vs Oregon.
This post was edited on 5/30/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:55 pm to iglass
I think a place called SEC Rant might be interested in how the SEC is treated regardless of the sport. Also, there are few of us softball fans in here. If you aren't, feel free to ignore the thread.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:57 pm to TheRaid
I won't say that the tourney was set up to favor the PAC, but there were some oddities in seeding that made me scratch my head.
Going on the assumption that all 16 national seeds advance to super regions (which they did) you have the SEC in the #1, 8, 9 and 16 spots - meaning that you are guaranteed having two SEC programs face each other in the opening game in OKC - giving the SEC an automatic loss in a double elim tournament.
You seed last year's championship matchup as 7 & 10, forcing them to play in a super regional and not giving them the chance to play in a rematch in OKC.
Going on the assumption that all 16 national seeds advance to super regions (which they did) you have the SEC in the #1, 8, 9 and 16 spots - meaning that you are guaranteed having two SEC programs face each other in the opening game in OKC - giving the SEC an automatic loss in a double elim tournament.
You seed last year's championship matchup as 7 & 10, forcing them to play in a super regional and not giving them the chance to play in a rematch in OKC.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:58 pm to TheRaid
They tried to mask it by saying, 'but all SEC teams made the tournament!' But when you really look at it they sent Minnesota to Alabama. Had the top 4 teams in the conference either face each other in a Super Regional OR had them face Oklahoma (re: Auburn). And sent SEC teams like Kentucky and Ole Miss out West to face the elite talent of the PAC 12.
This post was edited on 5/30/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 5/30/17 at 1:00 pm to PJinAtl
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you are guaranteed having two SEC programs face each other in the opening game in OKC
Notice, I didn't include that SEC teams faced each other. The facts mentioned in the OP are neutral on that topic and IMO, are more demonstrative of the bias.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 1:00 pm to TheRaid
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TheRaid
I think a place called SEC Rant might be interested in how the SEC is treated regardless of the sport. Also, there are few of us softball fans in here. If you aren't, feel free to ignore the thread.
Noooo, you're taking this wrong. I even pointed out that I believe you are correct. But also that since this is not a big three sport, such complaints will get little traction as an issue of debate. I am personally interested in major SEC points of discussion, including those involving softball... but many will not be that interested.
It was not really a dig on your post at all, mostly an observation. And maybe not even right on my part. Just an impression.
This post was edited on 5/30/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 5/30/17 at 1:01 pm to tWildcat
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I claim anti-sec bus based on the strike zone we had vs Oregon.
And don't even get me started on the "illegal pitch" that walked in a run at a very convenient time for Oregon either.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 1:30 pm to TheRaid
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In the regional scheduling:
All SEC teams who played other conferences in the first round were lower seeds playing on the road.
The entire PAC 12 was a higher seed playing at home.
Didn't Auburn and Florida plus a couple of others host regionals? Bama, LSU...
Posted on 5/30/17 at 1:41 pm to TheRaid
Why does any of this matter?
Pac12 has their 3 best in OKC. The SEC has its 3 best. Throw in Oklahoma and someone is going to have to earn the title on the field, not in the selection committee room.
Pac12 has their 3 best in OKC. The SEC has its 3 best. Throw in Oklahoma and someone is going to have to earn the title on the field, not in the selection committee room.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 2:19 pm to BluegrassBelle
Oregon beat kentucky fair and square. stop crying.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 2:21 pm to TheRaid
Regardless of your viewpoint, if you watched the UK/Oregon game, you saw different strike zones for UK than what the ump gave Oregon. It was obvious.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 2:31 pm to kywildcatfanone
they tried to job LSU with foul calls, but LSU overcame officiating .....once again
Posted on 5/30/17 at 2:33 pm to lsu711
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The SEC has its 3 best.
HMMMM...
Posted on 5/30/17 at 2:39 pm to Tigerman97
not sure if it was SEC or anti SEC bias, but the umpires were pretty bad in the A&M/UT series as well.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:19 pm to Uncle Gunnysack
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not sure if it was SEC or anti SEC bias, but the umpires were pretty bad in the A&M/UT series as well.
Been watching softball for the last 3 years with some regularity. I am amazed at how inconstant and poor the umps are across the board from regular season 2015 to Super Regionals 2017.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 3:34 pm to TheRaid
It wouldn't surprise me if they were banking on Minnesota to beat Alabama and then be setup to have a shot at Florida.
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