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Addressing the "attacking style" Chavis defense claims - Gulf War Edition
Posted on 6/23/15 at 1:57 am
Posted on 6/23/15 at 1:57 am
The Ags claim that the addition of John Chavis as their DC comes with an "attacking style" defense. I've seen it mentioned on this site, reddit, and 247sports. This Ag breaks it down for us as such:
Now let's break down Chavis' attacking defense with the help of CFB analyst Carter Bryant using the 2013 LSU vs Georgia game as example:
The Truth About John Chavis and the LSU Defense: The Tigers Are Not Clutch
Not only can Chavis' defenses not stop late drives by opposing offenses, his defenses simply do not get sacks.
Since 2012, LSU and Texas A&M's sack stats are very close for there being such a discrepancy in Total Defense ratings:
2012 LSU - 35 sacks
2012 A&M - 31 sacks
2013 LSU - 27 sacks
2013 A&M - 21 sacks
2014 LSU - 19 sacks
2014 A&M - 35 sacks
Even when John Chavis had one of the most elite defenses of all time (2011 LSU) they only mustered up 38 total sacks in the season. In 2011, Texas A&M registered a whopping 51 total sacks in the season.
An elite LSU DE, Barkevious Mingo (drafted 6th overall in the 2013 NFL draft) managed 15 sacks throughout his career of 40 games played.
Myles Garrett of A&M has managed 11 sacks in his freshman season alone.
TLDR,
Simply put, John Chavis has no more of an "attacking style" defense than Mark Snyder did at A&M. History also proves that Chavis' defenses are more about contain and reacting rather than aggressively attacking the offense. He often uses a 3 man defensive line with 6 defensive backs to confuse the QB and suffocate passing lanes to try and prevent the offense from completing passes rather than sacking the QB. When given potentially elite pass rushers (Danielle Hunter, Jermauria Rasco, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Anthony Johnson, etc) he uses them to contain the edges of the offense instead of rushing up field.
Notable examples of the Mustang defense not generating pass rush:
Final Minute of 2014 Alabama vs LSU
Final Minute of 2012 Clemson vs LSU
Game winning Georgia drive 2013
Now let's break down Chavis' attacking defense with the help of CFB analyst Carter Bryant using the 2013 LSU vs Georgia game as example:
The Truth About John Chavis and the LSU Defense: The Tigers Are Not Clutch
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Even Walter White thought the LSU defense broke bad against Georgia.
Defensive coordinator John Chavis was given the lead, and his defense needed to close the game. The Tigers win a crucial SEC battle packed with BCS implications if they do not allow the Bulldogs to score another touchdown to regain the lead.
But the LSU defense was, yet again, porous in a critical situation. LSU blew a late lead. The offense was not able to recover, thus losing in backbreaking fashion.
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The Bulldogs cruised 75 yards down the field for the game-winning touchdown, which was an easy 25-yard Aaron Murray bullet to Justin Scott-Wesley. The Bulldogs would snatch a 44-41 lead and never look back.
The defense offered little resistance. Murray was never touched. It only took six plays for the Bulldogs to score, five of which resulted in a first down or touchdown.
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The Georgia loss marked the 14th time the LSU defense under Chavis has failed to play great defense in the fourth quarter. Thanks to big leads and late offensive magic, LSU was able to survive most of those games.
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Chavis went to his Mustang formation to start Georgia's game-winning drive, which specializes in defending the pass. But his formula is ineffective in a 2-minute drill.
The formation specializes in blitzing from all directions and pre-snap movement from linebackers and defensive backs to confuse quarterbacks. But in a hurry-up situation, the pre-snap time becomes shorter, thus becoming more predictable.
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The above photo was shot at the release point of Murray's game-winning touchdown pass to Scott-Wesley. Chavis reinserted another defensive lineman to help with the rush. Notice the LSU defensive line is nowhere close to Murray. He did not panic as his pocket was clean.
Chavis played soft pass defense on the drive. His linebackers dropped back 15 yards into coverage just for Murray to dump off two passes to tight end Arthur Lynch for huge chunks of yardage.
Not only can Chavis' defenses not stop late drives by opposing offenses, his defenses simply do not get sacks.
Since 2012, LSU and Texas A&M's sack stats are very close for there being such a discrepancy in Total Defense ratings:
2012 LSU - 35 sacks
2012 A&M - 31 sacks
2013 LSU - 27 sacks
2013 A&M - 21 sacks
2014 LSU - 19 sacks
2014 A&M - 35 sacks
Even when John Chavis had one of the most elite defenses of all time (2011 LSU) they only mustered up 38 total sacks in the season. In 2011, Texas A&M registered a whopping 51 total sacks in the season.
An elite LSU DE, Barkevious Mingo (drafted 6th overall in the 2013 NFL draft) managed 15 sacks throughout his career of 40 games played.
Myles Garrett of A&M has managed 11 sacks in his freshman season alone.
TLDR,
Simply put, John Chavis has no more of an "attacking style" defense than Mark Snyder did at A&M. History also proves that Chavis' defenses are more about contain and reacting rather than aggressively attacking the offense. He often uses a 3 man defensive line with 6 defensive backs to confuse the QB and suffocate passing lanes to try and prevent the offense from completing passes rather than sacking the QB. When given potentially elite pass rushers (Danielle Hunter, Jermauria Rasco, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Anthony Johnson, etc) he uses them to contain the edges of the offense instead of rushing up field.
Notable examples of the Mustang defense not generating pass rush:
Final Minute of 2014 Alabama vs LSU
Final Minute of 2012 Clemson vs LSU
Game winning Georgia drive 2013
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 12:50 pm
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Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:01 am to rmnldr
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When given potentially elite pass rushers (Danielle Hunter, Jermauria Rasco, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Anthony Johnson, etc) he uses them to contain the edges of the offense instead of rushing up field.
That's what Snyder did, so Myles won't get any worse. And I'd take LSU's top ranked SEC defense last year even with the sack total. Sounds great.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 2:02 am
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:05 am to TeLeFaWx
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That's what Snyder did
No, no he didn't.
I'll even use a gif that you Ags love to show off:
No contain there.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:08 am to rmnldr
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No, no he didn't.
I'll even use a gif that you Ags love to show off:
Are you being serious right now? Do you know how football works?
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:11 am to TeLeFaWx
Yes, I do. If you didn't understand the long OP then I don't know how else to explain it to you. I even tried using some of your fap material to relate.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:12 am to rmnldr
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Yes, I do. If you didn't understand the long OP then I don't know how else to explain it to you. I even tried using some of your fap material to relate.
I really don't think you do.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:14 am to TeLeFaWx
How about we stick to the statistics provided instead of starting a pissing match about football IQ? 
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:16 am to rmnldr
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How about we stick to the statistics provided instead of starting a pissing match about football IQ?
So you're really trying to say that in that picture of the Georgia game, those defensive lineman aren't trying to sack the QB, and Chavis teaches that? Did you graduate high school? Serious question.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:19 am to TeLeFaWx
No, I'm saying that instead of bringing multiple pass rushers, he sends 3 defensive linemen versus 5 offensive linemen. There's no pass rush being generated from that. It's a staple of the 3-2-6 Mustang defense.
I've also added gifs to the OP.
I've also added gifs to the OP.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 2:19 am
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:21 am to rmnldr
Just curious what style of defense do you call K Steele's? 
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:23 am to rmnldr
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No, I'm saying that instead of bringing multiple pass rushers, he sends 3 defensive linemen versus 5 offensive linemen. There's no pass rush being generated from that. It's a staple of the 3-2-6 Mustang defense.
That makes sense in Nickel situations. Does Chavis statistically send less pass rushers than Snyder? Break that down for me instead of showing me a gif of Myles Garrett beating his man one on one on the edge, something that will happen all the time with Chavis, as he runs a 4-3, and his base package isn't the Mustang.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:24 am to rmnldr
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(Posted on 6/23/15 at 1:57 am)
Go to sleep bitch.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:25 am to northalabamacracker
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northalabamacracker
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Steele has said in every published interview that he isn't inventing a new scheme, he's just copying one. Given that his longest tenures on staffs were with Alabama, FSU and Nebraska, and his failure at Baylor, its pretty fair to assume we'll be running a 4-3 attacking scheme based on those three defenses. Given that Steele has praised Saban for his teaching ability, and the scheme itself, its fair to assume that he will essentially copy his old Alabama playbook. Saban's philosophy is the following, from his 2001 LSU playbook:
The LSU philosophy on first and second down is to stop the run and play good zone pass defense. We will occasionally play man-to-man and blitz in this situation. On third down, we will primarily play man-to-man and mix-in some zone and blitzes. We will rush four or more players versus the pass about ninety-percent of the time.
Take that ^ and mix it with what we've run with Chavis. His time at Clemson also shows that we will run more stunts and odd looks as confirmed in the 2015 LSU Spring Game.
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Go to sleep bitch.
frick yourself with a cactus
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 2:28 am
Posted on 6/23/15 at 5:58 am to rmnldr
Since Chavis left, all LSU fans can do is talk about how glad they are and how bad Chavis was. 
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:07 am to DawgsLife
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Since Chavis left, all LSU fans can do is talk about how glad they are and how bad Chavis was.
Well duh, recruiting has never been better...
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:16 am to rmnldr
This thread and its OP has arse hurt written all over it.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:31 am to TeLeFaWx
This is 1 thing I hate about our fans.. The complete absence of rationality. They would have laughed anyone out of the room who didn't think Chavis was the best coordinator in the SEC when he was at LSU. Now they act like he's magically a subpar DC and that Steele is an upgrade.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:49 am to LSUsuperfresh
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This is 1 thing I hate about our fans.. The complete absence of rationality. They would have laughed anyone out of the room who didn't think Chavis was the best coordinator in the SEC when he was at LSU. Now they act like he's magically a subpar DC and that Steele is an upgrade.
THIS!
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:50 am to rmnldr
I watched the Tennessee defenses dominate teams for 3 1/2 quarters, and then look like a Sunseri defense when the game was on the line. I watched this happen, many times.
I don't know why Chief has never considered that perhaps the Mustang defense just doesn't work.
I don't know why Chief has never considered that perhaps the Mustang defense just doesn't work.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:52 am to Vols&Shaft83
quote:Good luck A&M
I watched this happen, many times
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