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A fix (maybe an easy one) to all this mess...PLAYER accountability
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:19 pm
Make it be known that if PLAYER accepts money they will be subject to prosecution and have their amateur status revoked. The individual player, if it is shown has taken money, will have their individual amateur status revoked thus ineligible. If it is proven they have taken money and not claimed on taxes then prosecution for tax evasion. If they are claiming taxes on money received, obviously that revokes their amateur status. Amateur status to these guys (basketball players that are blue chip guys) doesn't matter to them because they are one and done anyway.
It is a little more difficult with family members. Prosecution can ensue if they did not claim it as income for tax purposes. Obviously family members could care less about amateur status as it does not affect them. The crux of a lot of this is the players and/or family members are not being held accountable for prosecutorial/legal purposes.
It appears everybody else is being held accountable except the athlete.
It is a little more difficult with family members. Prosecution can ensue if they did not claim it as income for tax purposes. Obviously family members could care less about amateur status as it does not affect them. The crux of a lot of this is the players and/or family members are not being held accountable for prosecutorial/legal purposes.
It appears everybody else is being held accountable except the athlete.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:23 pm to threedog79
If you get paid in July of say 2017, then play the 2017 and 2018 season. You could then file the taxes in 2018 and have to face no consequences if you're a one and done.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:25 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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If you get paid in July of say 2017, then play the 2017 and 2018 season. You could then file the taxes in 2018 and have to face no consequences if you're a one and done.
Possibly, but then it would clearly show a pay for pay scheme for that University and would put them in clear violation of NCAA rules and thus the program would be severely punished.
Also, in the above example, it would be possible in the one and done scenario but it would screw the university after the athlete left. It would foster a more strenuous compliance follow up within each university.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:27 pm to threedog79
Yea but that goes back to the University getting into trouble not the player.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:29 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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Yea but that goes back to the University getting into trouble not the player.
Correct. But if the player did not claim the income, it would be tax evasion. If the player did claim it as income, it would put the fear of this happening for each university and foster a better environment of compliance. In other words, these programs would watch their six a lot better.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:32 pm to threedog79
I'm not saying I'm personally against your idea but too many folks will balk at the idea because they're 'poor innocent unwitting kids', some will even claim they took the money to help their family out, etc.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:33 pm to threedog79
nothing would change
you still deal in cash, and you still have someone not directly affiliated with the program handle said cash
a poor, inner city kid isn't gonna turn down cash to play a sport out of fear of prosecution...
you still deal in cash, and you still have someone not directly affiliated with the program handle said cash
a poor, inner city kid isn't gonna turn down cash to play a sport out of fear of prosecution...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:34 pm to piggilicious
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some will even claim they took the money to help their family out, etc.
I agree. But many drug dealers do it to "help out their families". I'm not saying the idea is perfect but how many of these cases over the years result in little to no legal action against the player? Not NCAA sanctions against the player, but legal action.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:34 pm to threedog79
The one and done NBA rule is a big reason for this mess. It was bad before but one and done only made it worse. If you let high schoolers go pro after sr year than the ones that have no interest in attending college can go pro and earn a nice guaranteed check or flame out and end up out of the league.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:34 pm to piggilicious
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I'm not saying I'm personally against your idea but too many folks will balk at the idea because they're 'poor innocent unwitting kids', some will even claim they took the money to help their family out, etc.
I mean, it's true
it'd be different if it would be effective, but it wouldn't be
these kids that grow up in the projects don't let fear of jail time stop them from committing other crimes, like selling drugs. Why would this be any different? If mamma needs rent money, that's all that matters
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:35 pm to cas4t
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a poor, inner city kid isn't gonna turn down cash to play a sport out of fear of prosecution...
I understand that. But that is the built in excuse. Why excuse it if it is wrong?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:35 pm to threedog79
why do you think threatening legal action would prevent it? Countless examples show that it does not
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:35 pm to threedog79
TLDR
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:36 pm to threedog79
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I understand that. But that is the built in excuse. Why excuse it if it is wrong?
I'm not talking about excusing it
I'm simply saying it wouldn't be effective
remove emotion from it and really ask yourself if your idea would prevent kids from taking money
it wouldn't. In reality, we'd be prosecuting more kids, while the problem continues to be a problem...sounds familiar
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:39 pm to cas4t
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If mamma needs rent money, that's all that matters
All I meant was that bleeding hearts would never allow this to happen in the first place.
Now as far as my opinion is concerned, mamma needs to get off her useless arse and take care of herself and her kids- not the other way around.
Maybe I need to watch the Wire again because my sympathy level is quite diminished after all that's gone on in sports recently.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:39 pm to cas4t
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why do you think threatening legal action would prevent it? Countless examples show that it does not
Legal action NEVER prevents anything. However, there is 0 accountability, from a legal standpoint, for the athlete. The death penalty doesn't prevent murders, but it is a punishment. There is no punishment for the players from a legal standpoint.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:41 pm to threedog79
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Make it be known that if PLAYER accepts money they will be subject to prosecution and have their amateur status revoked. The individual player, if it is shown has taken money, will have their individual amateur status revoked thus ineligible. If it is proven they have taken money and not claimed on taxes then prosecution for tax evasion
2 big problems:
-It's not against any LAW to accept money. Our courts are cluttered enough without this BS
- The recipient of a gift doesn't pay the taxes on it. Sure there are circumstances, but again, do we need to add more clutter to the courts?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:41 pm to threedog79
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Legal action NEVER prevents anything. However, there is 0 accountability, from a legal standpoint, for the athlete. The death penalty doesn't prevent murders, but it is a punishment. There is no punishment for the players from a legal standpoint.
ok, so essentially you just want to punish the players.
that is not a fix.
we have enough people in jail for dumb shite.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:46 pm to Vecchio Cane
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-It's not against any LAW to accept money.
I agree and disagree. If I accept money for a service and do not claim as income am I good (in the professional world I live in)? If I go to university A and score 30 points a night because I was given 100K to go there, am I good? Seems to me that is taxable income. Thus has to be claimed.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:48 pm to threedog79
you could bust a million people a day for accepting untaxed cash
your local body shop or transmission shop for example
and I believe the point he was making is you can legally gift a certain amount (up to 14k I believe) without it being taxed
you implement the legalities you're speaking to and agents/bagmen would just find another loophole
your local body shop or transmission shop for example
and I believe the point he was making is you can legally gift a certain amount (up to 14k I believe) without it being taxed
you implement the legalities you're speaking to and agents/bagmen would just find another loophole
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