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re: 247 List of Top Jobs in College FB
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:06 am to GenesChin
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:06 am to GenesChin
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Not quite sure why UCLA is so high.
UCLA is the most under-performing program in all of college football. Even a Georgia fan can point fingers and laugh.
They are in a state with loads of talent, and only 2 or 3 programs within 1,000 miles to have to compete against for it. Not only that, you are in a city that has about 300 days of sunshine and perfect weather. And your campus is right on the doorstep of Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, and Hollywood.
For these reasons, why would a coach NOT want to coach there?
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:09 am to OilfieldLSUFan
People should already know when you see lists like this it's like the fake news and the presidential polls. Nobody in the news and media has to do anything right or factual anymore. Really sad!!! 
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:13 am to BHMKyle
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For these reasons, why would a coach NOT want to coach there?
You have proximity to recruits, but you're also in a city that isn't football craze, and you're also not even the number 1 program in your city. Why would a recruit want to go to UCLA over USC, other than the fact that it's in a nicer area? They don't have top notch facilities (though they did recently make upgrades); there's 13 million residents in your metro, yet they can't sell out their stadium; UCLA is more known as a basketball school; oh and you have a program on the other side who regularly produces NFL talent and competes for Pac 12 titles.
I get the amenities, but if you're a coach who wants to win titles, why would I go to a place that is hardly invested into being a top notch program and there's a multitude of distractions?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:15 am to BHMKyle
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Alabama produces about a third of the talent that Texas, Florida, and California do, while also sharing the state with Auburn.
Look at the top 10-12 players in the state of Alabama, see where those players rank nationally, and see where they go to college. Bama shares state with AU, but most AU fans would agree that Bama wins those head-to-head in-state battles more often than not.
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I even think Bama at #1 is a stretch
more bowl wins, 10+ win seasons, and championships of any school all time. money is not a problem. facilities are incredible. cupboard is stacked. Every coach for 60 years has been able to win 10+ games at Bama (including Mike Freaking DuBose and Mike Shula). It's the top job for a number of reasons, but even if not in the opinion of some, it is in the opinion of the guy they'll target to replace Saban.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:16 am to Sunbeam
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Tennessee is really trending up in producing players. Not sure what is different from 2000 or so, but it is a real thing.
It still is way off of where it should be (per capita speaking) compared to most of the other southern states.
States that produces the most NFL players on 2016 rosters:
#1 Florida (193)
#2 California (187)
#3 Texas (160)
#4 Georgia (97)
#5 Ohio (80)
#6 Pennsylvania (66)
#7 Louisiana (63)
#8 Alabama (60)
#9 New Jersey (50)
#10 S. Carolina (48)
#11 Michigan (46)
#12 Virginia (43)
#13 N. Carolina (42)
#14 Illinois (38)
#15 New York (34)
#16 Tennessee (34)
#17 Maryland (28)
#18 Mississippi (27)
#18 Missouri (27)
Alabama is a smaller state yet it produced nearly double the amount of NFL players.
The other issue for the University of Tennessee is the shape of the state. Sure, Memphis produces a good amount of football talent. But Memphis is almost the same distance from Knoxville as it is to Dallas, TX. So not only does the state of Tennessee lag behind its southern neighbors in producing quality football prospects, a lot of those prospects that do come from Tennessee are a long way from the University. If UT was located in Nashville, they'd probably be more competitive these days.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:17 am to bamasgot13
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It's the top job for a number of reasons, but even if not in the opinion of some, it is in the opinion of the guy they'll target to replace Saban.
When that day comes it will be a very interesting thing. Who in their right mind would want to follow a run like that? Or step into those recruiting shoes.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:18 am to OilfieldLSUFan
based on the description in the article this list looks mostly accurate. I think UCLA is too high.
since the article is ranking from the view of attractiveness of position were it to suddenly be available today, all that really matters is the current roster, resources of the program, and short term recruiting potential.
so yeah, Clemson isn't a recruiting hotbed and the school is unexceptional, but the\ current roster has national title capacity and the brand is strong with recruits.
you take a look at this list and the only team in the top 5 on there that id say an idiot could not win 10 wins a year for 3+ years is OU, which is also the biggest oddball on the whole list. the state of oklahoma sucks why do kids go there by choice? three years after bob retires they will be nebraska.
since the article is ranking from the view of attractiveness of position were it to suddenly be available today, all that really matters is the current roster, resources of the program, and short term recruiting potential.
so yeah, Clemson isn't a recruiting hotbed and the school is unexceptional, but the\ current roster has national title capacity and the brand is strong with recruits.
you take a look at this list and the only team in the top 5 on there that id say an idiot could not win 10 wins a year for 3+ years is OU, which is also the biggest oddball on the whole list. the state of oklahoma sucks why do kids go there by choice? three years after bob retires they will be nebraska.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:18 am to OilfieldLSUFan
duplicate post
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:19 am to Sandwich
[quote] YA Clemson won a natty...and good for them...but South Carolina is not a recruiting hot bed and the campus/school is very average. [/quote
Stop recruiting what little players we have
Stop recruiting what little players we have
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:26 am to bamasgot13
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Bama shares state with AU, but most AU fans would agree that Bama wins those head-to-head in-state battles more often than not.
Of course they do. If you go back to 2010 and look at the Top 10 kids from the state of Alabama in each of the 8 classes, here is where they signed:
51% signed with Alabama
31% signed with Auburn
18% signed somewhere out of state
Obviously Bama is winning more often than not, but they still are sharing a state with a school that is getting 30+% of the top kids from the state.
LSU, Georgia, Ohio State, and others don't have that issue to deal with.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:32 am to Sandwich
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but South Carolina is not a recruiting hot bed
Wrong. There is enough talent there to compete for championships if they can get 75% of it every year. They have a big presence in North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida as well; also recruiting hotbeds
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:35 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Wrong. There is enough talent there to compete for championships if they can get 75% of it every year. They have a big presence in North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida as well; also recruiting hotbeds
Yeah, but either school in Mississippi could say the same. It probably isn't going to happen.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:35 am to BHMKyle
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Those first 5 (OSU, OU, AL, USC, TX) hail from states that produced on average 100 players each on 2016 NFL rosters
Do what? This is from 2015 WTF are you talking about? Oklahoma?Ohio?Alabama?What does avererging out the number have to do with anything?
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No one said it was. But it is a factor. Go study Nebraska football and come back and let me know why its no longer a top job.
Huh?Nebraska was never a hot bed for producing top talent.They were way ahead of the game in 70's and 80's when it came to "conditioning" and the also had one of the premier walk-on programs in the country back then.
When they started getting their asses kicked in the late 80's and early 90's in bowl games they had to open up the flood gates and go after out of state boarderline criminals and thugs to win big.
If you're going by "access to talent",Please name another school P5 school that has more P5/NFL talent within 1 1/2 drive of their campus other than Miami?
LSU and GEORGIA also have far "greater" access to talent than Bama,OSU. and Oklahoma and its really not close especially if you look at other in state P5 schools they compete with in recruiting.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 10:42 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:39 am to Solo Cam
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Florida and Texas are top 5 jobs
Texas is a top 5 job? Is this 1970?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:39 am to Sunbeam
Not really. South Carolina produces a lot more players than Mississippi and neither school in Mississippi has the clout to pull top ranked kids from neighboring states. Clemson can pull elite prospects from NC, Georgia, and Florida in addition to their efforts within the state
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:42 am to RD Dawg
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especially if you look at other in state P5 schools they compete with in recruiting.
This is a prehistoric mindset. You aren't just competing with schools in your state borders for prospects anymore. Some states have kids more likely to stay home with an offer (Mississippi and Ohio come to mind here) but states like Texas, Louisiana, Florida, and Georgia lose elite prospects out of state on a yearly basis. Being within a states borders doesn't always mean closer to home either. I kid in Valdosta is closer to Florida State than UGA. A kid in Meridian is closer to Tuscaloosa than oxford. Recruiting is a regional game for most now, and a national game for some.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:43 am to OilfieldLSUFan
Clemson is a hot item right now, but they won't sustain that success. I'd be willing to bet that in 5 years, 247 will have CU 12-15. Just the nature of what have you done for me lately.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:53 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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This is a prehistoric mindset. You aren't just competing with schools in your state borders for prospects anymore. Some states have kids more likely to stay home with an offer (Mississippi and Ohio come to mind here) but states like Texas, Louisiana, Florida, and Georgia lose elite prospects out of state on a yearly basis. Being within a states borders doesn't always mean closer to home either. I kid in Valdosta is closer to Florida State than UGA. A kid in Meridian is closer to Tuscaloosa than oxford. Recruiting is a regional game for most now, and a national game for some.
Neither here nor there, but I've thought for a long time it hasn't really been useful for Clemson to be our big rival.
Recruitingwise, a big game with North Carolina or NC State would be more useful. We seem to try and schedule a North Carolina school every year, in Charlotte a lot of times, but a permanent game with North Carolina or State would be much better.
Isn't going to happen though. Helps us a whole lot more than either NC school.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:57 am to OilfieldLSUFan
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I don't see how Clemson is ranked so high.
Its a poorly thought out, reactionary list.
If they took facilities, talent base, in state competition, fan support, and academic standards all into play, it would look entirely different.
It appears they just did wins and losses. Florida being out of the top 10 is ludicrous. Oklahoma in the top 5 is equally ludicrous.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:10 am to Sandwich
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YA Clemson won a natty...and good for them...but South Carolina is not a recruiting hot bed and the campus/school is very average
But they have chic fila
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