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re: 1992 Expansion Question
Posted on 6/27/15 at 6:51 am to randomways
Posted on 6/27/15 at 6:51 am to randomways
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Interesting summary from SDS
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Under the proposed division alignment, Florida State would face Florida, Auburn and Alabama every year...
What were the proposed divisions?
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:14 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Back then there was 2 permanent cross division rivals. FSU would have been in the est but play bama & auburn. Which is interesting bc state had SC as a permanent cross division rival then.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:51 am to hawgfaninc
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"The one that made the most sense was Texas," Schiller said. "I spent some time with DeLoss Dodds (the Texas athletic director) and he really wanted to join the conference."
Done deal. Everything agreed to but the name on the dotted line. Then, it all came apart.
"The state legislature (in Texas) somehow got wind of it through Texas A&M and said we had to bring in both schools or we couldn't take Texas," Schiller said.
The SEC didn't want A&M. Ultimately, the two Texas schools would leave the Southwest Conference and join the Big 12.
correct on ann richards forcing gaylor into the deal leaving the swc for the big 12, it was the faggies that kept texas from going to the sec.
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Sweet moves by A&M.
Scuttle multiple Whorn chances to abandon them, only to load the moving vans and leave through the side door.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:18 am to Quidam65
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South Carolina was actually last on the list and had a deficit the prior year. But like the poor kid Charlie in Willy Wonka who ended up with a Golden Ticket, SC ended up with the invitation and like Arkansas did not hesitate to sign up.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:24 am to Mizz-SEC
Your linked pic has failed, what was it supposed to be?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:26 am to GreyReb
quote:There was no advantage for the incumbents to bring in any teams that could actually win the Conference title.... so in hindsight these two were the perfect choice.
where did Arkansas and SC fall in the pecking order?
FSU might have actually won a title by now at the expense of one of the Big 6.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:40 am to Crow Pie
We were actually fortunate that FSU didn't join because they would've won the SEC most years in the 90s instead of us.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:42 am to Korin
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We were actually fortunate that FSU didn't join because they would've won the SEC most years in the 90s instead of us.
Doubtful, with the scheduling differences the Free Shoes folks pick up at least 1 or 2 losses per season. Not bad, but just enough to eliminate them from a MNC hunt.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:44 am to Cheese Grits
They would've won it in 92, 93, 96, 97, and 99. I'm not sure about 94.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:06 am to Korin
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They would've won it in 92, 93, 96, 97, and 99. I'm not sure about 94.
1992 = 2 tough games (U and UF / went 1-1) + ACC cakewalk
1993 = 3 tough games (ND, U, and UF / went 2-1) + Kansas + ACC's cakewalk
1994 = 3 tough games (ND, U, and UF / went 1-1-1) + ACC's cakewalk
1996 = 2 tough games (U and UF / went 2-0) + ACC cakewalk :: Gators won 52 - 20 in Sugar
1997 = 3 tough games (USC, U, and UF / went 2-1) + ACC's cakewalk
1999 = 2 tough games (U and UF / went 2-0) + ACC cakewalk
Hell UK could have played in the ACC during that time and been bowl eligible for a decade.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:10 am to Cheese Grits
And your point is...?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:16 am to Korin
Had FSU joined with Arkansas, would we now have a big 7 or would Auburn have been kicked out of their paper mache position in today's big 6?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:28 am to avondale88
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why Florida State declined to join the SEC
he wasn't scared but he wanted the easiest route for "his" team. Bowden was perhaps the most powerful football coach in the country; ie, he owned FSU and they did what he said.
the SEC offered FSU a spot with EQUAL PARTICIPATION financially. but FSU was not a college but an institution run by bobby Bowden. and the ACC offered Bowden a larger cut of their revenues and an easier road to the top. ergo, Bowden took it.
I hate it when a coach "runs" a university. Bobby Knight got the president of Indiana fired when he crossed him. Bowden screwed FSU by not going in the SEC and he screwed them for years when he got too old but maintained his hold on the school and caused great division with the alumni. hell, the senile egomaniac would still be coaching there if he had his way.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:30 am to Korin
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And your point is...?
Free Shoes was good, but not great.
Much of their success was aided by easier schedules and the ability to keep fresh
Look at LSU 2011
Beat 12-2 (PAC #1) Oregon on the road
Beat 10-3 (B E #1) West Virginia on the road
Beat the SEC (all but 1 or 2 were ranked when LSU played them)
Put any Bowden team from the 90's with that schedule and pretty sure they go 10-3 and not 13-0.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:34 am to Cheese Grits
LSU has done nothing that FSU couldn't Do in a hypothetical situation
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:39 am to LSU GrandDad
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FSU was not a college but an institution run by bobby
Interesting, rewind to the 1960's and the same could be said of GT. Look how that worked historically for GT.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:37 am to DaleDenton
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Texas was a done deal until A&M and Ann Richards threw a hissy fit.
Exactly.
Arkansas initiated the expansion, Frank had Texas on board to make the jump.
The SEC was fine with adding just Arkansas and Texas to get to 12, but did explore the possibility of expanding to 14-16 teams by gauging the interest of Clemson, FSU, Miami, SCAR, and a couple of the NC schools.
Aggy never had an offer, the SEC didn't have an interest in Aggy at that time, which caused aggy to cock block Texas via the legislature and Richards who threw Baylor into the mix.
Had Texas went with Arkansas, the SWC would have collapsed into a conference like the MWC, the Big8 had no interest in expansion into Texas without Texas being on board.
Likewise, had Arkansas not jumped to the SEC, they would have found themselves as the odd man out when the big 8 expanded due to the politics involved with the Big 8 landing Texas (aggy, Baylor, ttu).
Frank turned down the big 8s offer to join in the early 70s, the Big 8 was wanting to expand to 10 teams via Arkansas and Texas.
When Frank started broadcasting games, and after the NCAAs anti-trust lawsuit, Frank decided the SWC was not a viable long term option with out restructuring the conference due to the small market of only two states in a conference. The SWC looked into trying to lure away LSU and bring back the Oklahoma schools, but decided neither would leave, so Frank decided to take Arkansas to the SEC as he felt Arkansas' culture was a better fit in the SEC vs the Big8 (South vs Midwest).
Dale is known best for being a major LSU troll, but you have to hand it to him, he does know his history well. This is very accurate.
SEC expansion in 1992 was all about getting Texas and Arkansas. FSU was discussed, but Bowden wanted no part of the SEC and Bama wanted no part of FSU, therefore FSU was never going to happen. Had it not been for Ann Richards and the Dallas Cowboys owner prior to Jerry, Texas, along with Arkansas would have been SEC members. South Carolina was voted in after the Texas deal fell through to politics in the state of Texas.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:12 am to Mizz-SEC
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Sweet moves by A&M.
Scuttle multiple Whorn chances to abandon them, only to load the moving vans and leave through the side door.
this is true. props to the aggies for castrating the whorns with their own SEC knife
Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:16 am to Tammany Tom
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Dale is known best for being a major LSU troll, but you have to hand it to him, he does know his history well. This is very accurate.
dale is one of the smartest posters on this board when he wants to be
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:25 am to hawgfaninc
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dale is one of the smartest posters on this board when he wants to be
When it comes to Arkansas and things relating to Arkansas?
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