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Anyone ever realize this about Wisconsin (Wisconsin's shame)?

Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:08 am
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:08 am
This should really be enough to start the second civil war ....

https://www.nationalreview.com/article/417155/wisconsins-shame-i-thought-it-was-home-invasion-david-french

This shite is totally outta hand.

Has anyone seen a single news report from the MSM about any of that?

Until I read that I had never heard of a state instigated John Doe investigation used for political purposes. I mean I knew all about what the IRS, under the instruction of Obama and Holder, had been doing to Conservatives .... but to read about this John Doe thing happening on a state level ....?

WTF!

It's just about time for the shite to hit the fan. I hope we make it to the next election. For the first time I am hearing as many angry white people as we've been hearing angry black people on CSPAN call-ins in the mornings.

I mean wtf! Did anyone know that crap was going-on in Wisconsin ... and why are there a shite ton of people in jail up there for doing that?
Posted by 5thTiger
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:14 am to
So what was the story about? They didn't really explain it very well. Just seemed like a politically driven article?
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:29 am to
Damn, that was a long article. I read it but I'm not sure I got much from it except that the "left" is punishing the "right" in Wisconsin because of the passage of Act 10. Is that the gist of what's happening up there?
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:49 am to
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Damn, that was a long article. I read it but I'm not sure I got much from it except that the "left" is punishing the "right" in Wisconsin because of the passage of Act 10. Is that the gist of what's happening up there?


Well ... I don't know if I'll do the explanation justice or not but I just hung up the phone with a Judge buddy of mine in Tennessee who is familiar with what is going-on up there and this is how he explained it to me.

Wisconsin passed a John Doe law some years ago originally designed to gain warrants and entry into suspected criminals' homes for whatever reason ... really doesn't matter. A judge could grant a search warrant for just about any reason, without actually naming the owner of the property or the person inside in the warrant ... thus "John Doe."

Fast forward a little bit and the radical far left wing nuts completely take over Wisconsin politics and they start doing all sorts of crazy shite to people they do not like.

Fast forward a little bit more and there is backlash on the lefties and people start trying to pull things back towards the Right a little .... they elect Scott Walker governor.

Walker lowers the boom on the corruption ... but, of course, the teachers' union and other far left wing groups up there go after Walker and his people.

So a couple of the far lefties employ the local law enforcement up there and some judges to start issuing these John Doe warrants on conservatives up there ... bam, next thing you know doors are being kicked-in, people harassed in the middle of the night ... and it was rampant. They cited what, five cases out of sixty something in the article? Middle of the night, doors kicked in, conservatives strong-armed .... just for being Conservative.

MSM doesn't touch it with a ten foot poll. You've never heard a peep about it until now, amirite?

Imagine if Republicans had done this to Democrats.

Right.

It's just about time for the reset button to get pushed.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:51 am to
The 4th amendment is dead.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:53 am to
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The 4th amendment is dead.


Apparently it is in Wisconsin for sure ... time for the fricking shooting to start up there.

Listen, the lefties are all about eroding the Constitution piece by piece ... all while under the guise of being the great protectors of the 1st Amendment, which is bullshite.

But the 4th Amendment is not dead nationally .... it's just wounded. As to whether or not it is allowed to die a complete death is up to we the people.

It's why it is so important to protect the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:02 pm to
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This should really be enough to start the second civil war ....


You wish.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:02 pm to
Georgia used to have a "no knock" warrant until the police busted into what they thought was a drug house in Atlanta. When they busted down the front door, a 92-year-old great grandmother opened fire on them because she thought she was being attacked by hoodlums in the bad neighborhood. Relatives said her home had been broken into in the past. She was killed by a hail of bullets from the cops.

I can't imagine this "John Doe" law won't be taken down by the Supreme Court.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:09 pm to
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But the 4th Amendment is not dead nationally .... it's just wounded. As to whether or not it is allowed to die a complete death is up to we the people.



It's in the ICU and doesn't look long for the world.

quote:



Apparently it is in Wisconsin for sure ... time for the fricking shooting to start up there.


There should be significantly more outrage that such a law was ever passed. I can't say I'm surprised. Sheriff's love taking those fines, private prisons love the state money to house prisoners. Throw some money to support a judge in a election who's "tough on crime". I mean, what doesn't sell better than that? Then you work the state legislature to remove as many legal barriers to search and seizure as you can muster. The money train keeps moving down the tracks.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

Georgia used to have a "no knock" warrant until the police busted into what they thought was a drug house in Atlanta. When they busted down the front door, a 92-year-old great grandmother opened fire on them because she thought she was being attacked by hoodlums in the bad neighborhood. Relatives said her home had been broken into in the past. She was killed by a hail of bullets from the cops.



Damn ... never knew until just now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:21 pm to
I read a similar story recently about a guy in Maryland gunned down by the cops in similar circumstances. His father sued the police and won.

On appeal the judges threw out the jury verdict because he should have known the men breaking into his house at 4 am were cops. Sure the cops lied about if they announced the presence as cops, as proven in the first case. Judges assume everything else they say to be fact and that the entire jury didn't act as reasonable people in the decision.

The lesson here is don't pull a weapon on home invaders. If you make the mistake of assuming the armed men waking you from a deep sleep are there to attack you, you better be right.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:23 pm to
Scrooster,

This isn't a setup question...it's just a straightforward question:

Who do you believe is the greatest domestic and or political enemy of the state (ISIS type organizations excluded)?
Posted by bbvdd
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:32 pm to
I didn't see it mentioned in the article but if I'm not mistaken a prosecutor is a major leftist pro union bitch.

She is the one ordering all these searches.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 12:38 pm
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:56 pm to
All I can say is God damnit, I mean that literally. I hope God damn's everyone who knowingly participated is such bullshite
Posted by 5thTiger
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:34 pm to
IF this were completely accurate, and that is a big IF, those cops would be absolutely massacred by the media. Not to mention the lawsuits that could be levied.

IF this happened, the family should have sued for millions. It is a slam dunk case, and the cops would easily go to jail.

I am concerned that you used The National Review as a source of information. The vagueness of the story also calls into question its accuracy.

Should be public record as to the lawsuit, where is that so I can review it?

Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:35 pm to
This was discussed on the Poli board the other day. There are other links that show it has been discussed, but not as wide coverage as you think it might.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:46 pm to
This is an outrage, but none of it surprises me, and that's the saddest part.

Posted by JustGetItRight
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

IF this were completely accurate, and that is a big IF, those cops would be absolutely massacred by the media. Not to mention the lawsuits that could be levied.

IF this happened, the family should have sued for millions. It is a slam dunk case, and the cops would easily go to jail.

I am concerned that you used The National Review as a source of information. The vagueness of the story also calls into question its accuracy.

Should be public record as to the lawsuit, where is that so I can review it?


The cops can't be sued because they had a search warrant. They're protected.

The situation hasn't been devoid of national coverage, it just isn't getting the coverage it really should - almost certainly because it is a conservative being persecuted.

Anyhow, you'll be hard pressed to find a story without a political slant to it simply because the whole thing's entirely rooted in politics.

Here's a local editorial that touches on some of the issues without an overtly political stance.

Here's a brief explanation of the John Doe situation from the Wisconsin legislative reference service.


The entire John Doe law's come under pretty big legal scrutiny. Right now, IIRC both a Wisconsin state court and federal district court have ruled against the entire process. The state court decision's on appeal and again, going from memory, the federal appeals court overturned the district court's decision because the matter hadn't been completely through the state process.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

The cops can't be sued because they had a search warrant. They're protected.


Not true. Under state law, it depends on the state's sovereign immunity statutes. Under federal law, they can most probably be sued under 42 USC 1983.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:31 pm to
The John Doe law in Wisconsin simply changes who they must go through to get the search approved, has nothing to do with the way the search is conducted.

Any lawyer with half a brain would sue for millions in this proposed case.
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