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Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:05 am
just starting a thread that stemmed from Bama thread.
Discussion was about how the world is becoming globalized, and potential of sports with safety concerns
Discussion was about how the world is becoming globalized, and potential of sports with safety concerns
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:07 am to 5thTiger
Huh?
What are you trying to discuss exactly? Globalization and safety concerns in sports are a really broad and not obviously connected topic.
What are you trying to discuss exactly? Globalization and safety concerns in sports are a really broad and not obviously connected topic.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:08 am to 5thTiger
Sports have been changing ever since they were created. Welcome to life.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:09 am to PrivatePublic
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As we become more and more weary of the serious health consequences involved in these sports, aspects will change.
Add in technology which in many ways gives you the best seat in the house, I think we are on the waning edge of the golden age of college football as we know it.
This seems improbable but with the internet globalizing all sports, the rise of soccer in the US in the next 15 to 20 years seems like a large possibility. That is the largest growth potential in sports in the US. I could see baseball becoming niche, Football staying a power albeit less powerful and soccer having a major upswing with millennial's and the upcoming generation.
ETA: should have made a spinoff thread. It's a topic that I find interesting although it being buried in a Bama coaching search thread probably isn't the right place to have the discussion
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:12 am to 5thTiger
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I agree. I find the subject of soccer interesting too because yes, globalization is happening, and our individual cultures are disappearing. Therefore it's expected to see soccer begin to become more of a focus in non-traditional soccer countries...especially the US. The idea of placing an NFL team in London is gaining traction too in the last couple of years.
I'll add regarding soccer...I think in order to say the interest in soccer is growing, we'll need to see a major upswing in the popularity of the MLS. Will we ever see top-notch players come over from Europe to play besides when they're dried up? Many Americans already follow the Euro leagues pretty closely, and I've noticed since the WC, ESPN has been showing highlights more frequently from the club games over in Europe. It'd be nice is some how UEFA would allow the MLS to qualify for the Champions League...it would add a HUGE number of viewers.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:15 am to 5thTiger
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This seems improbable but with the internet globalizing all sports, the rise of soccer in the US in the next 15 to 20 years seems like a large possibility. That is the largest growth potential in sports in the US.
That's already happening. I watch the EPL pretty much every weekend. Champions League if I'm home when it's on. Would watch other leagues too if they were more available on TV. Soccer is going to be a fairly big deal in a decade or two, but it really rides on the USMNT to catch the imagination of more people.
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Football staying a power albeit less powerful and soccer having a major upswing with millennial's and the upcoming generation.
Football isn't going anywhere unless evidence comes up the brain damage is just too severe to let any kids play. You have to remember the cultural connection to football, especially college football. It's more about the tradition and ritual than the actual game played on the field. Soccer and football can co-exist without damaging the popularity of either.
I watch soccer all Saturday morning and then flip to the early SEC game once the last game is finished. If MLS really takes off I guess this could change some, but that's doubtful as the best leagues will be in Europe for the foreseeable future.
Not a bad topic to explore though.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:19 am to 5thTiger
Neo liberal globalization is destroying everything in the name of a one word government agenda.
Sports included.
It's a broad topic, but it is connected.
Sports included.
It's a broad topic, but it is connected.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:28 am to Duke
Considering the MLS is entering its 20th season, we kind of have a nice benchmark to compare.
For the MLS to make the next step, they have to get rid of the single entity thing. Will crush them if they don't change. I think they should merge with another league and create a promotion and relegation system.
As for sports in general...baseball is declining in viewership from elongated games, football has health concerns which might harm the NFL. I think college football is fine, considering it is a outlet for many in poverty. Basketball will be fine, although I think the rest of the world will catch up to us in time. Hockey and Soccer are battling for that next spot, which I think is going to go to soccer.
For the MLS to make the next step, they have to get rid of the single entity thing. Will crush them if they don't change. I think they should merge with another league and create a promotion and relegation system.
As for sports in general...baseball is declining in viewership from elongated games, football has health concerns which might harm the NFL. I think college football is fine, considering it is a outlet for many in poverty. Basketball will be fine, although I think the rest of the world will catch up to us in time. Hockey and Soccer are battling for that next spot, which I think is going to go to soccer.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:38 am to 5thTiger
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I think they should merge with another league and create a promotion and relegation system.
Who would ever put money into a franchise/club if they knew relegation was a possibility? The local support for soccer is still no where near the point where they will still show up in a second tiered league.
What MLS needs to do to step up is eliminate the salary cap and do a traditional season h/a instead of having a playoff at the end. Yes this will mean NYFC and LA Galaxy will win all the time because they have all the money, but the MLS will never compete with the quality of the big Euro leagues if they can't provide competitive wages.
Coming to America has some selling points for those not in the elite clubs in Europe. First of all, it's America. Second point, it's America.
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Basketball will be fine, although I think the rest of the world will catch up to us in time.
It's the next (or current 2nd) global sport. It's going to be hard for the rest of the world to catch up though, as we have all these athletes who grew up playing basketball. Good luck finding a LeBron James in Spain.
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Hockey and Soccer are battling for that next spot, which I think is going to go to soccer.
Hockey is an awesome sport to attend a game for and the NHL playoffs might be the best postseason in all of sports. Soccer is the answer though. Far more kids play it growing up and we have all these Mexicans coming to America. There's little doubt it's the big growth sport going forward.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:43 am to 5thTiger
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As for sports in general...baseball is declining in viewership from elongated games, football has health concerns which might harm the NFL. I think college football is fine, considering it is a outlet for many in poverty. Basketball will be fine, although I think the rest of the world will catch up to us in time. Hockey and Soccer are battling for that next spot, which I think is going to go to soccer.
Baseball is dying. Milennials just don't care much about it, besides going to the park for a beer and a game. And they can get that out of soccer - and many of them are doing exactly that.
Football is in a tough spot. The game has always been violent and dangerous, but the actual effects haven't been completely known. Until now. We may be reaching a point where kids are no longer allowed to play due to the massive concerns about CTE and concussions - not to mention the horrific knee and joint injuries that are systemic of the game. I think it'll stick around, but it's done growing, most likely.
As for hockey, while I love the game, it's always going to be a niche sport. Agreed that it has, by far, the best postseason and is the most fun to watch live. It's prohibitively expensive to play in most of the US, and the economies of scale aren't on its side. It'll keep growing, but it will likely be surpassed by soccer as a spectator sport, and by lacrosse as a participation sport.
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:58 am to Duke
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Who would ever put money into a franchise/club if they knew relegation was a possibility? The local support for soccer is still no where near the point where they will still show up in a second tiered league.
This is tough, but could drive the game. I'll concede that soccer teams don't have to worry about tanking because the draft isn't a reliable option for top talent. Best thing they have done yet is instill youth academies. We have the top league in other sports, we can get soccer too if we get the business side right.
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It's the next (or current 2nd) global sport. It's going to be hard for the rest of the world to catch up though, as we have all these athletes who grew up playing basketball. Good luck finding a LeBron James in Spain.
May not be Lebron's, but I bet there are more Gasol's, Dirk's, Tony Parker's, etc.
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Hockey is an awesome sport to attend a game for and the NHL playoffs might be the best postseason in all of sports. Soccer is the answer though. Far more kids play it growing up and we have all these Mexicans coming to America. There's little doubt it's the big growth sport going forward.
I've heard Hockey is awesome in person, but have never been. Like lacrosse, will always be a niche sport.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 10:06 am to 5thTiger
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Best thing they have done yet is instill youth academies. We have the top league in other sports, we can get soccer too if we get the business side right.
The academies are a big step in the right direction. The hard part is going to be creating a product that people want to watch and therefore start getting the money to compete for players with the bigger leagues in Europe. MLS needs the quality to get people watching but can't yet afford the quality.
I will say it is getting better and I suspect it will continue to. Getting the MLS to be a world class league is going to take time though. La Liga, EPL, Bundasliga, Serie A all have been at this for much longer. They also have the premier club competition in the UEFA Champions League. For travel reasons alone the MLS will never be a part of it. We do have our own Champions League for our confederation though, but the Mexican teams are still the power there.
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May not be Lebron's, but I bet there are more Gasol's, Dirk's, Tony Parker's, etc.
Sure, and it's good for basketball. We've still got a much larger talent pool to pull from in a sport that is widely played.
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I've heard Hockey is awesome in person, but have never been.
Hockey is a great sport, but Royal Air is right. It's too expensive for widespread youth play and therefore will be a niche sport for the cold weather countries.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 11:40 am to Duke
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Football isn't going anywhere unless evidence comes up the brain damage is just too severe to let any kids play. You have to remember the cultural connection to football, especially college football. It's more about the tradition and ritual than the actual game played on the field.
You just foretold the future in a very ironic way. I listen to NPR almost every day. I can tell you with fearless certainty that the ultra-liberals are currently salivating at the prospect of killing football. This BECAUSE of its tradition and ritual. Too much of the flag in it. Too much of the '50s. That it reeks to them of violence and primitivism is the actual impetus; that it's emotionally tied to the America of old is the fuel to their rage. I speculate that their allowing it as an avenue for underpriveleged minorities is the only reason they've yet moved farther on their crusade.
NPR news almost never addresses sport. Generally it doesn't even discuss the World Cup until after the final match. It will invest 60 seconds telling you who just won the World Series. It may present a five minute essay on current trends for a Superbowl party. It will invest 15 to 30 seconds telling you who won the college football championship the night before. This is pretty much it. I've been listening to it for 20 years now.
But every time a football-related injury makes national headlines NPR is on it. Almost every time a football-related crime makes national news NPR is on it. There is a simmering campaign there against football and I fear the worst.
There doesn't need to be more evidence regarding concussion to shut down high school football. Massachusetts or Oregon will do it first. They will argue that no child under 18 has the life experience and/or mental maturity to make a decision of such serious consequence on his own, AND that no child should be the subject of parental consent in this matter because no child should ultimately suffer brain damage because his parents might have been dolts. The same reason the state can say your child has to be in school until he's 16: so your dumb arse can't keep him home to milk the chickens and make him grow up socio-economically disadvantaged because you were an idiot.
Mark my words. It's coming. I give it ten years max. I expect a bill in a state legislature in less than five.
I need not point out that killing high school football is killing football as we know it. I mean, what then? We go back to 1890? A bunch of college boys who want to play football show up and try out and get to work?
I hope I'm crazy. But I think I know what I'm talking about. There are educated, intelligent, influencial, and even powerful people in America who hate tradition for sedition's sake.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 12:50 pm to derSturm37
I agree with everything you just wrote.
Not because I think it's best, but because it's highly likely to happen.
Not because I think it's best, but because it's highly likely to happen.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 2:56 pm to RoyalAir
Football isn't going anywhere, too much money in it and they need HS football to produce the athletes necessary to keep money in it.
The neo liberal pussies that want the sport banned are a fringe group. Most left leaning people even love football
The neo liberal pussies that want the sport banned are a fringe group. Most left leaning people even love football
Posted on 4/1/15 at 6:12 pm to 5thTiger
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I've heard Hockey is awesome in person, but have never been. Like lacrosse, will always be a niche sport.
Umm, what?
Hockey isn't anything close to the same ballpark as lacrosse.
Are you on crack?
Hockey is a legit major sport.
Arena's are packed across North America, it's also the most global sport beside soccer. All of Europe, Russia, Finland, Sweden, Canada, US -- all excel at hockey.
It's growing as a revenue sport in college too, a lot of campuses it's right there with basketball, or even more important.
This post was edited on 4/1/15 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 4/1/15 at 6:26 pm to Duke
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Football isn't going anywhere
It's only a matter of time before there's no more football. Health concerns will outlaw it.
Litigation threatens football's future
Posted on 4/1/15 at 7:20 pm to hawgfaninc
We may not see soccer truly rise until about 15 years from now. Parents today are becoming much more weary about their kids playing football. Some of those parents might encourage their child to play soccer as an alternative (some will go to basketball, etc). If we do indeed have a larger number of kids focused on soccer, there is a greater chance we discover an American Neymar. That is why we are 'ahead' in basketball because so many kids devote their childhood to honing their bball skills...well the same thing happens in Europe, but with soccer.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 8:16 pm to hawgfaninc
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Litigation threatens football's future
and with the worst stab at "poetry" in the history of English
wins some support from Logic's dearth.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:07 am to hipgnosis
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Hockey is a legit major sport.
Arena's are packed across North America, it's also the most global sport beside soccer. All of Europe, Russia, Finland, Sweden, Canada, US -- all excel at hockey.
It's growing as a revenue sport in college too, a lot of campuses it's right there with basketball, or even more important.
Penn State has been very successful with their hockey program in an extremely small amount of time. I fully expect Arizona State to be competing for Frozen Fours within a decade - all that school has to do is recruit Southern California, Arizona, and Texas, and they'll be very successful.
I'd like to see an SEC school devote some time/resources to making a varsity program. Kentucky or Arkansas could probably pull it off the fastest. Unfortunately, Title IX pretty much guarantees that unless a wealthy, hockey-loving alumni (such as Pegula at PSU) want the game, the school isn't going to go out on a limb for it.
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