re: Grantland article (RE: Chavis, LSU, TAMU, and the SEC) SIAP

We certainly put up points on Alabama in that season.

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But the police are to blame for this, not the coaches

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Or, maybe the players are at fault? Ataway to pass the buck

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You have managed to rationalize your programs inability to succeed in an inferior league.

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We did have some success in the Big 12. Won it more than the SEC so far.

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The SEC doesn't NEED A&M to win a national championship for exposure or more views in Texas.

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No, but it sure would help. Us being a FSU-level brand instead of a Michigan State level brand can probably be measured in millions per year per SEC team. Now that the sleeping giant of Florida has completely arisen we are the last untapped goldmine in the SEC for revenue.

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You make it seem like the conference office is just going to hand you a championship because we "need you".

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The conference office isn't going to hand us any championships, they still have to be won. The conference office WILL do whatever they can to elevate our brand to a place where that is a more realistic goal, even at the expense of other SEC teams that are quite frankly worth less to the league. The way we stole the rivalry weekend game from Arky proves that.

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We did just fine without you and Mizzouri.

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Actually prior to expansion the SEC was set to be the lowest paid Power 5 conference for over a decade. Without the contract look-ins we forced the kind of money each SEC team will make in 2017 will be higher than was possible in the mid-2020s in the old setup.

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You added TV markets, that's it.

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We added 50% more to the population the 12 team SEC had in its overall footprint. We added two AAU programs to boost the conference academic prestige. We both got a lot out of the SEC deal too, but we are more than markets.

With that said, you are correct that the SEC doesn't need us to win a national title. 70%+ of the benefit A&M can possibly bring we have already brought, and the SEC doesn't need that extra 30% to be a success. No way the SEC makes any moves to artificially put us ahead of a true cash cow like Bama just for that 30% extra. But if they can choose which non-Big 6 program wins a championship next the answer is us with a bullet. What we offer in that last 30% of untapped value is more than three times the value something like a South Carolina National Title would bring to the SEC.

Hence why we will keep getting good TV spots, beneficial schedules, and other things the Big 12 was never going to give us.

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We did have some success in the Big 12. Won it more than the SEC so far.

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One conference title.

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No, but it sure would help. Us being a FSU-level brand instead of a Michigan State level brand can probably be measured in millions per year per SEC team. Now that the sleeping giant of Florida has completely arisen we are the last untapped goldmine in the SEC for revenue.

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So now you are comparing yourself to a team who has won three national championships since 1990.

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The way we stole the rivalry weekend game from Arky proves that.

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LSU has been looking to get out of that game for years on that weekend so "stole" isn't the correct

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Actually prior to expansion the SEC was set to be the lowest paid Power 5 conference for over a decade

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Again you added a new market and we were one of the last conferences to strike a TV deal. Adding NC State would have yielded similar results. The revenue was not exclusive to A&M.

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What we offer in that last 30% of untapped value is more than three times the value something like a South Carolina National Title would bring to the SEC

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How could you possibly say something like this? What metrics do you use to come up with that multiple?

In conclusion - whatever helps you sleep at night man. Your level of denial and inflated sense of self worth is off the charts. At least your arguments are well thought out. For that, you get an up vote.

Y'all still haven't played in a conference championship game this millennium, huh?

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One conference title.

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Which is more than we won in the SEC so far.

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So now you are comparing yourself to a team who has won three national championships since 1990.

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No, I am not saying we are on the level of FSU. I said we are on the level of a Michigan St. I see FSU as a goal though, a goal that can be accomplished in my lifetime.

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LSU has been looking to get out of that game for years on that weekend so "stole" isn't the correct

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LSU was looking to get locked in to play on Thanksgiving every other year? If so I am glad it worked out.

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Adding NC State would have yielded similar results. The revenue was not exclusive to A&M.

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If by similar you mean less than 50% of the result. The population of Texas is over 26 million, while North Carolina is not quite 10 million.

I do think NC ST would be a great expansion choice, maybe #1 on my list for number 15. But lets be honest- NO ONE on the expansion map other than Texas or Notre Dame was going to bring the kind of money we brought. That is why the SEC was willing to take us at 13 without having a sure 14. We were worth so much it was worth letting the schedule turn to shite to get at those 26 million potential customers.

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How could you possibly say something like this? What metrics do you use to come up with that multiple?

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Population.

South Carolina as a state has a little less than 5 million people. No matter what way you split the percentage of those eyeballs VS Clemson the ceiling is around 5 million. So when we look at SEC Network advertising rates, or even the subscribers rates within that footprint, a South Carolina National Title that has them completely take over the state means that at most they are adding five million to the pile.

Meanwhile Texas has almost 27 million people- five times as many people as South Carolina. That means no matter how you divide up Texas, if we ever double or triple our popularity through a national title then we will represent more Texans than South Carolina has in it. If we were like a FSU in that we got maybe 40% of the state's attention/fandom that would still mean over 10 million people- aka twice the best USC could pull.

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Your level of denial and inflated sense of self worth is off the charts.

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None of it is delusional, all of it is based on facts. We have the population, and we have the SEC front office support. We have the facilities, the recruiting base, and the exposure we need to be a FSU level program. The only thing we don't have is actual success yet, but our time as a rational contender only began a few years ago. Extrapolate our new advantages over a 20 year period and we will be a better program at that point in time than we are now. Logic dictates it, and the only argument I have head to contradict that is some sort of hope that will we will "Aggie it up," aka a Ghost Story that being a loser is in our DNA or something.

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15 years is a long time to you, huh?

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15 years without an appearance in a conference championship is a long time. I guess when comparing it to how long it's been since A&M played in a national championship game, the time has really flown by.

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I guess I need to update the nutria corndog grease-fire melt day counter.

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Please do, if only for NFLSU's obsessed sake

Silly Sarge..I already know it's been 7,149 days since A&M beat LSU.