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Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:46 pm
Russian 8 year olds brawl at the end of a game.
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You can tell these are really good players, equivalent to AAA level in the states and Canada.
Not as funny as the Chinese brawls you can find on youtube, or the ones of really shitty guys that started playing men's league as adults, both hilarious -- this is more just a fascinating site.
LINK
You can tell these are really good players, equivalent to AAA level in the states and Canada.
Not as funny as the Chinese brawls you can find on youtube, or the ones of really shitty guys that started playing men's league as adults, both hilarious -- this is more just a fascinating site.
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:50 pm to hipgnosis
The refs 
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:25 pm to hipgnosis
Russians don't mess around.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:32 pm to Mizzeaux
You think Vegas could support an NHL team?
Personally, I'd rather see a team in Seattle, Quebec City, even a place like Houston before Vegas.
I think Vegas has an 'arena football' feel to it from a branding perspective when it comes to sports franchises. It's not a major league sports city, even if it has the people to support it. I don't think it would be the wisest choice for the NHL.
BUT -- if it gets the Panthers out of Miami or Coyotes out of Phoenix I might reconsider, but still feel there are better cities.
Personally, I'd rather see a team in Seattle, Quebec City, even a place like Houston before Vegas.
I think Vegas has an 'arena football' feel to it from a branding perspective when it comes to sports franchises. It's not a major league sports city, even if it has the people to support it. I don't think it would be the wisest choice for the NHL.
BUT -- if it gets the Panthers out of Miami or Coyotes out of Phoenix I might reconsider, but still feel there are better cities.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:44 pm to hipgnosis
Our season ticket drive hit 10,000 four months before Nashville's did, without a team.
Seattle has no arena.
Quebec City is fine for nostalgia. Those 17 years of NHL hockey with the Nords really stick in people's minds for some reason. However, the Canadian dollar sucks right now, the market is tiny, and they'll still have issues with people not wanting to play in Quebec. Their new arena is nice, though.
Houston's never getting an NHL team until the Rockets are sold.
So, taking all that into consideration, Vegas is the best option. Only pro team in town, two million people, 48 million visitors, awesome arena on the Strip.
Expect the announcement in June for our team to start play in the 16/17 season.
Seattle has no arena.
Quebec City is fine for nostalgia. Those 17 years of NHL hockey with the Nords really stick in people's minds for some reason. However, the Canadian dollar sucks right now, the market is tiny, and they'll still have issues with people not wanting to play in Quebec. Their new arena is nice, though.
Houston's never getting an NHL team until the Rockets are sold.
So, taking all that into consideration, Vegas is the best option. Only pro team in town, two million people, 48 million visitors, awesome arena on the Strip.
Expect the announcement in June for our team to start play in the 16/17 season.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:09 pm to Mizzeaux
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Quebec City is fine for nostalgia. Those 17 years of NHL hockey with the Nords really stick in people's minds for some reason. However, the Canadian dollar sucks right now, the market is tiny, and they'll still have issues with people not wanting to play in Quebec. Their new arena is nice, though.
Quebec would sell out every night. That's important.
Winnipeg does well in their little Canadian market.
I don't think it really matters how the dollar is in Canada.
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Seattle has no arena.
They should build an arena for NBA and NHL.
I think they will at some point soon.
Speaking of Arena's KC built one specifically for the NHL. I'm not sold on them being able to support an NHL team, but I think I'd prefer KC over Vegas.
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So, taking all that into consideration, Vegas is the best option. Only pro team in town, two million people, 48 million visitors, awesome arena on the Strip.
I get all of these draws. But the city is branded as an arena football city, it's got a flash in the pan persona. I don't think it's a sustainable choice for the NHL. I think it looks good on paper, it looks good in the short term -- but I don't think it's a wise choice.
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Expect the announcement in June for our team to start play in the 16/17 season.
I hear it will happen, but just because it's happening doesn't mean it's a good idea. Bettman is a dumbass. Miami, Atlanta, Phoenix all failures, all bad ideas from the start.
If it does happen, hope it works out well.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:30 pm to hipgnosis
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Quebec would sell out every night. That's important.
You've been around here long enough to know, it's the TV dollars that drive realignment/expansion. The league already owns Canada and gets a ton from Quebecor for Quebec broadcast rights. There's nowhere to go for now.
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Winnipeg does well in their little Canadian market.
Yep, they do really well selling out the smallest barn in the league.
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I don't think it really matters how the dollar is in Canada.
The Canadian dollar is why Winnipeg and QC left in the first place. They've put some controls in place to help work with the fluctuations, but tickets are still sold in C$ and players are still paid in US$.
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They should build an arena for NBA and NHL.
They're trying, doesn't make sense to do it until you get the teams, or at least a shot at the teams. The city and county are getting together to try an NHL first arena, but Seattle is Seattle and things take twice as long as they should.
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Speaking of Arena's KC built one specifically for the NHL. I'm not sold on them being able to support an NHL team, but I think I'd prefer KC over Vegas.
KC is a publicly funded arena, they're not trying to do any favors to a team as far as a lease goes. As long as the mayor's the same it won't happen. For that matter, there's not anyone interested in owning a team in KC, so it's a non-starter.
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I get all of these draws. But the city is branded as an arena football city, it's got a flash in the pan persona. I don't think it's a sustainable choice for the NHL. I think it looks good on paper, it looks good in the short term -- but I don't think it's a wise choice.
Your call. Every city's got an image, and I guess to you, that's ours. In the meantime, there's still two million normal people living here that would like to enjoy a pro sporting event.
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I hear it will happen, but just because it's happening doesn't mean it's a good idea. Bettman is a dumbass. Miami, Atlanta, Phoenix all failures, all bad ideas from the start.
Miami sucks as a sports town, put the arena at the swamp at the edge of town and you're going to get crap attendance. New owners are making an effort, they're not papering the arena anymore, which should build some value.
Atlanta probably could have made it, but ownership wasn't great, obviously.
Arizona screwed up from jump street, ownership was awful. Gretzky sucked, politics with Glendale. Not to mention it's a four million person city in the desert with four sports teams. It's tough.
Vegas will have the only game in town. I think that's huge. There really isn't a US market like it in the league right now. Again, 48 million potential first time hockey watchers too. Hard to pas that up.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:36 pm to hipgnosis
Richt lost control of the 8-year-olds.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:42 pm to Mizzeaux
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You've been around here long enough to know, it's the TV dollars that drive realignment/expansion. The league already owns Canada and gets a ton from Quebecor for Quebec broadcast rights. There's nowhere to go for now.
Idk. We all know tv drives it, and I do think Vegas will get a team.
But I think a packed house every night, with intelligent viewers that understand that game and aren't there for the spectacle of something 'new' has a lot of value that is harder to pin down than a tv contract.
Winnipeg is a good example.
Overall league health is essential. A game on tv from Miami might get some dollars, but in time it plays itself out, that stuff looks terrible when no one is in the seats.
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The Canadian dollar is why Winnipeg and QC left in the first place. They've put some controls in place to help work with the fluctuations, but tickets are still sold in C$ and players are still paid in US$.
I think the controls are pretty drastic, overall I don't think there is really much of an impact if the Canadian dollar is a little lower than the US.
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Vegas will have the only game in town.
That's a little bit of a leap when you put things into context, that phrase usually refers to cities with no other sports, meaning minimal alternatives for entertainment -- Vegas certainly has many options.
I'm not saying Vegas is a horrible idea, but I don't think it's a great one and I'd prefer Seattle if they could get the Stadium going.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:51 pm to hipgnosis
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But I think a packed house every night, with intelligent viewers that understand that game and aren't there for the spectacle of something 'new' has a lot of value that is harder to pin down than a tv contract.
A lot of value for the team itself, intelligent fans will pay more.
Winnipeg is a good example of what you're saying, but if Vegas pulls 15,000/game at our place we'd be 26th or so in attendance capacity and a failure according to the hockey "elitists." Meanwhile, Winnipeg is set as the example since they sell out every night in a small market.
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I think the controls are pretty drastic, overall I don't think there is really much of an impact if the Canadian dollar is a little lower than the US.
Revenue sharing is a big part of it, but when the Canadian TV contracts, the Maple Leafs, Habs, and the other Canadian teams are all in C$, there's an impact. Just watch what the cap does next year if the Canadian dollar stays where it is.
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That's a little bit of a leap when you put things into context, that phrase usually refers to cities with no other sports, meaning minimal alternatives for entertainment -- Vegas certainly has many options.
Again, there are very few of the two million people here hitting Cirque du Soleil shows annually. This really is a normal place for the people that live here. The real entertainment options you're speaking of are for the tourists, and they're the main consumers of those things.
Saying it will have a major impact on Las Vegas attendance is akin to saying Cardinals attendance would go down because The Book of Mormon and Wicked are in STL at the same time.
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I'm not saying Vegas is a horrible idea, but I don't think it's a great one and I'd prefer Seattle if they could get the Stadium going.
Seattle is probably next and would likely also have an announcement in June, but Key Arena sucks for hockey and they're still Seattle Processing the arena for an NHL first option.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:55 pm to Mizzeaux
Have names been proposed for a Vegas team, even unofficially around town?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:06 pm to hipgnosis
Owner suggested the Las Vegas Black Knights, since he went to West Point. Definitely wants it to be nothing gaming related.
There will be a contest where season ticket holders suggest names and then vote, with the owner getting veto power over the choice.
I like the Thunderbirds, Falcons, Bighorns (maybe.)
There's an aviation/air force angle on the Aces that an online acquaintance of mine put together that's starting to turn me that direction. LINK
There will be a contest where season ticket holders suggest names and then vote, with the owner getting veto power over the choice.
I like the Thunderbirds, Falcons, Bighorns (maybe.)
There's an aviation/air force angle on the Aces that an online acquaintance of mine put together that's starting to turn me that direction. LINK
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:12 pm to Mizzeaux
Black Knights ain't happening.
Of the ones you mentioned I like Aces best, has a gambling angle, and aviation.
Bighorns is a jr hockey name, Falcons is for lil kids teams, Thunderbirds is cool, but not an NHL name. But frick, Predators made it through the naming gauntlet, so who knows.
Of the ones you mentioned I like Aces best, has a gambling angle, and aviation.
Bighorns is a jr hockey name, Falcons is for lil kids teams, Thunderbirds is cool, but not an NHL name. But frick, Predators made it through the naming gauntlet, so who knows.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:13 pm to Mizzeaux
Will there be slot machines in the arena?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:16 pm to hipgnosis
Bighorn is the state animal, but it's a dumb name.
Falcons are all around here, but it's like naming a team Tigers. Peregrines would be cool, and might be my suggestion as a season ticket holder, but I know it wont get many votes.
Thunderbirds is awesome and has a place in the culture of Vegas with the AF demo team at Nellis, but it's hard not to take a native American angle with that one. Plus, Seattle's Jr team has the name.
The fact that the owner said Black Knights publicly makes me think it might wind up happening. I'm sure he talks to Bettman. It's funny you bring up the Preds, because that was the owner using his veto power to name the team what he wanted instead of what won the contest.
Falcons are all around here, but it's like naming a team Tigers. Peregrines would be cool, and might be my suggestion as a season ticket holder, but I know it wont get many votes.
Thunderbirds is awesome and has a place in the culture of Vegas with the AF demo team at Nellis, but it's hard not to take a native American angle with that one. Plus, Seattle's Jr team has the name.
The fact that the owner said Black Knights publicly makes me think it might wind up happening. I'm sure he talks to Bettman. It's funny you bring up the Preds, because that was the owner using his veto power to name the team what he wanted instead of what won the contest.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:17 pm to hipgnosis
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Will there be slot machines in the arena?
There aren't slot machines in any of the other three arenas in town, so I don't see why that would change with this one.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:18 pm to Mizzeaux
Predators is an atrocious name.
I can't believe that was allowed.
I wish a lot of these owners would just write the checks, and maybe give some direction -- they don't have the creative juices to do stuff like this.
Black Knights, ugghh. I hope that doesn't happen.
I can't believe that was allowed.
I wish a lot of these owners would just write the checks, and maybe give some direction -- they don't have the creative juices to do stuff like this.
Black Knights, ugghh. I hope that doesn't happen.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:20 pm to Mizzeaux
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There aren't slot machines in any of the other three arenas in town, so I don't see why that would change with this one.
Never been to Vegas.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:20 pm to hipgnosis
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Black Knights, ugghh. I hope that doesn't happen.
Me too, Knights serve the King and we don't think much of LA round these parts.
I'm happy with anything that isn't an arachnid (Scorpions,) western (Outlaws,) or gaming related (Blackjacks.)
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:05 am to hipgnosis
Lil thugs 
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