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Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:46 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:46 pm to Kentucker
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Churches can refuse to perform wedding ceremonies for anyone, with impunity. If, however, a licensed wedding business is being operated out of churches, it is subject to taxation and civil rights laws as is any other enterprise. "Donations" rather than payments are usually used to get around the legalese. I can't see that changing after the Supremes rule on gay marriage in June.
You have far more faith in the Court taking a strict-constructionist view of this than I do. With the right mixture of justices (and I dare say we are close to such a group), the Court would be willing to move to set precedent that churches cannot discriminate in any way. There is already a significant push to tax churches - I see this as a natural extension of that line of thinking.
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:52 pm to Kentucker
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Where is the reasoning that incest is not harmful to society? Where is the scientific acceptance that "they're born that way" gives them Constitutional support? It doesn't exist.
Au contraire. Genetic Sexual Attraction is a legitimate situation that science is beginning to discover. Siblings that meet later in life have scientific backup to prove that they are "born this way" in terms of being attracted to one another. In essence, the State/society is telling them to avoid and abstain from such behavior because it is disgusting, morally reprehensible, and harmful to society at large.
Legally, if we don't expect homosexuals to avoid such behavior, I don't see how you can expect siblings to abstain when they can easily cite GSA as the underlying cause of their relationship.
(Just for the record, I don't really believe this shite, just wanted to play devil's advocate.)
Posted on 3/27/15 at 1:33 pm to Kentucker
Where is there any evidence brother/ brother or sistrr/sister incest is any more harmful than nonfamily related homosexual relationships. Who has the right to impose or be subjevtive anddiscriminate against those people?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 1:35 pm to RoyalAir
I dont nelieve it either and also playing d.a..
Posted on 3/27/15 at 1:36 pm to Alahunter
There isn't, and I don't care if siblings want to get married. The demand for incestuous marriage isn't exactly high though.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 1:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
But there are discriminatory laws against them. Why is their Constitutional rights being ignored in the fight for equal rights/
Posted on 3/27/15 at 1:42 pm to Alahunter
Most of them are in regards to parent-child incest. Some states don't have any at all.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 1:52 pm to Alahunter
Because I can probably count the number of incestuous brother/sister couples who want to get married in this country on two hands. It's just not relevant.
I wouldn't object to it, though.
I wouldn't object to it, though.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:20 pm to RoyalAir
quote:The oath isn't but EMTALA is. That scenario wouldn't suddenly be "allowed" by this law.
I'm not a doctor, nor do I pretend to be. But AFAIK the Oath isn't legally binding, so other than a personal moral code, I don't see what teeth it realistically has.
If I'm missing something, please let me know.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
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There isn't, and I don't care if siblings want to get married. The demand for incestuous marriage isn't exactly high though.
That's irrelevant. As a percentage of the population, homosexual marriage isn't exactly high either.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:42 pm to Numberwang
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Because I sell rainbow cupcakes to a gay person, I am not "endorsing their gay lifestyle". Business is business. You keep your beliefs separate from business.
So you would make cakes for a KKK group that said "White Power" on them.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:47 pm to the808bass
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That's irrelevant. As a percentage of the population, homosexual marriage isn't exactly high either.
We're talking about hundreds of thousands of couples versus a few dozen (if that). This is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty and you know it.
Moreover, I'm not arguing there is a difference. Incestuous marriage SHOULD be legal.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
Less than a hundred thousand have currently been married, just for fun.
And the numbers are irrelevant. Unless it's only a violation of rights if theres a bunch of em.
And the numbers are irrelevant. Unless it's only a violation of rights if theres a bunch of em.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:51 pm to 5thTiger
awesome concept. upvote.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:51 pm to the808bass
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So you would make cakes for a KKK group that said "White Power" on them.
As long as they pay, absolutely. They have every right to be racist and I'd be happy to take their money. Nothing about my baking them cupcakes contributes to any illegal acitivity.
Now, if they were buying 12 feet of rope, lighter fluid and crow bars I might be a bit hesitant.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:54 pm to the808bass
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Less than a hundred thousand have currently been married, just for fun.
And the numbers are irrelevant. Unless it's only a violation of rights if theres a bunch of em.
If tomorrow it were legal everywhere those numbers would skyrocket.
And again, I'm not arguing incestuous marriage should be illegal.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If tomorrow it were legal everywhere those numbers would skyrocket.
No, they wouldn't. There were a lot of couples who traveled early to states surrounding them to get married. When Iowa made it legal, hundreds of Missouri gay couples went north to get married. When St. Louis county made gay marriage legal, it didn't even really register on the needle. The big article proclaiming the change included the tidbit that four whole couples in St. Louis had gotten married in the first weekend.
I think gay people like the idea of getting married more than they like getting married. They like the conference of legitimacy of society upon their relationships. They're not as crazy about the "confines" of the structure.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:17 pm to the808bass
If it were legalized in Texas, I've seen estimates as high as 25k licenses would be applied for in the first six months. The Texas population combined with applicants from the bordering states would bring a huge influx of gay marriages.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:19 pm to the808bass
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hen St. Louis county made gay marriage legal, it didn't even really register on the needle. The big article proclaiming the change included the tidbit that four whole couples in St. Louis had gotten married in the first weekend.
You have to be residents to do so in St. Louis county. So if you lived elsewhere you couldn't just go there. Also the state still doesn't allow it.
It would absolutely go up if legalized nationwide. Similar situation to medical marijuana legalization in some states. The numbers would be a lot higher if legalized nationwide.
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I think gay people like the idea of getting married more than they like getting married. They like the conference of legitimacy of society upon their relationships. They're not as crazy about the "confines" of the structure.
I'd rather people figure out their relationship before getting married. That would drive down divorce rates. Strait, Gay, Whatever, I wish more couples would fully explore marriage before actually doing so.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:32 pm to 5thTiger
Other than all the ramifications I've read as I've glossed over the thread, has the possibility that the NCAA could move their offices, the NFL move their draft combines & ban Super Bowls from being played in Indy been brought up?? If so I missed it, but the financial impact of the Act could be big for the state along with all the Moral aspect of it... Gon be interesting to watch over the next few months...
It's prolly a small part of the overall picture but this is a sports site...
‘Religious freedom’ law may whack Indiana’s economy...
NFL still not talking about Indiana law
It's prolly a small part of the overall picture but this is a sports site...
‘Religious freedom’ law may whack Indiana’s economy...
NFL still not talking about Indiana law
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 3:36 pm
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