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Has tackling become a lost art in cfb?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:14 am
I've been rewatching a cross section of SEC games from 2014, and the one recurring theme that stands out is poor tackling. Didn't matter if it was a running back, quarterback, or WR with the football, it seemed like defenses had trouble making what should have been a sure tackle.
My best guess is that defensive coaches are spending more time teaching schemes and less time on fundamentals. Maybe it starts in high school ball. Maybe talent has shifted more to offense. Or maybe I'm wrong and it's always been bad, but it's pretty bad now.
My best guess is that defensive coaches are spending more time teaching schemes and less time on fundamentals. Maybe it starts in high school ball. Maybe talent has shifted more to offense. Or maybe I'm wrong and it's always been bad, but it's pretty bad now.
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:15 am to wdhalgren
Probably a mixture of all those things.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:18 am to wdhalgren
Kids can't tackle like they did 5 years ago. It use to be hit hard and wrap up, now it's just wrap up and hope you don't get flagged for hitting too hard.
The pussifiacation of America has found its place in football.
The pussifiacation of America has found its place in football.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 10:20 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:20 am to wdhalgren
It's not JUST CFB. It's even in the NFL.
The rake move to strip... It just drives me insane to see a DB give up 5+ yards because he's trying to strip the ball rather than stop foward progress.
The targeting rule, while loathesome, may go towards bringing more fundamentally sound tackling back.
The spread offenses also create a lot more isolation so you better be sound out there on that island or a short catch turns into a big gain.
The rake move to strip... It just drives me insane to see a DB give up 5+ yards because he's trying to strip the ball rather than stop foward progress.
The targeting rule, while loathesome, may go towards bringing more fundamentally sound tackling back.
The spread offenses also create a lot more isolation so you better be sound out there on that island or a short catch turns into a big gain.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:21 am to TiptonInSC
That's a factor I didn't mention, but maybe it's a big one. If players have to think, at game speed, about where exactly they hit the ball carrier, that could be the difference between a solid tackle and a whiff.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:22 am to Jobu93
quote:I hate that shite.
It's not JUST CFB. It's even in the NFL. The rake move to strip... It just drives me insane to see a DB give up 5+ yards because he's trying to strip the ball rather than stop foward progress. The targeting rule, while loathesome, may go towards bringing more fundamentally sound tackling back. The spread offenses also create a lot more isolation so you better be sound out there on that island or a short catch turns into a big gain.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:24 am to wdhalgren
quote:Train 'em the right way to tackle to begin with and they don't have to think, it becomes habit. Trainers/position coaches better be prepared to develope these guys on proper technique and they better start the process early.
That's a factor I didn't mention, but maybe it's a big one. If players have to think, at game speed, about where exactly they hit the ball carrier, that could be the difference between a solid tackle and a whiff.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:35 am to RT1941
Considering this was flagged (and effectively lost us the game, as it was a 4th down play that would have allowed us to ice the game thereafter), yeah, tackling has become a lost art by choice.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:38 am to wdhalgren
Tackling is a lost across all facets of the game.
Everyone goes for the kill shot now, no one wraps up.
Best way to fix this is to get rid of the facemask.
It would force players to tackle correctly.
Everyone goes for the kill shot now, no one wraps up.
Best way to fix this is to get rid of the facemask.
It would force players to tackle correctly.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:40 am to wdhalgren
All these D1 kids come in and want to de-cleat everyone. Worked in highschool. Nobody wraps up anymore. As a UGA fan I still have nightmares about some of the shat our DB's were pulling in the Grantham days. they didn't even pretend to wrap up.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:41 am to WorkinDawg
Take away the facemask and this would be fixed.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:43 am to tylerdurden24
quote:Auburn had a FR DB ejected for that same exact hit. Didn't matter in the game however, cuz LSU got the shite beat out of them all game long.
Considering this was flagged
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:44 am to wdhalgren
It's not an art, but it has gotten horrible
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:46 am to wdhalgren
A significant improvement in tackling went a LONG way to changing our defense from a laughing stock to pretty decent last year. We certainly allowed a couple extra yards going for the strip, but we got enough turnovers doing it that it was overall a net gain I think and compared to 2012 when our tackling was bump and watch it was incredible.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:50 am to wdhalgren
In b4 Pussification of America
Lol Nope
Lol Nope
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:51 am to wdhalgren
Actually for the Hogs...We were a very good tackling team by end of the year. New coaches really instilled technique and which lead to success...the players bought in and we were a better unit because of it...
But I agree with OP for the most part
But I agree with OP for the most part
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:51 am to wdhalgren
I think some of it has to do with how much head trauma has been talked about recently. Good form requires a face to the numbers, so I think a lot of guys are just getting wary of full on contact. Couple that with the targeting rule, there's a lot more that goes into tackling now than used to be discussed.
A little satire:
A little satire:
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Rather than leading with his head, the tackler could have chosen any number of otherwise safe head posiitons for the tackle by placing his head on his back, foot, knee, or arse, aka "The Bulgarian Embrace." Ideally, the player would remove their head before a play, execute the tackle, and then take instructions from the sideline from their disembodied head, but technology lags behind our best hopes and will for some amount of time.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:58 am to wdhalgren
Tackling is changing. Watch the attached video of how the seahawks are using rugby style tackling techniques to avoid head injury while still getting the ball carrier to the ground. And before you go down the "pussification" road, the Seahawks have had a nasty defense the last two years.
Seahawks Tackling
If something doesn't change, we'll lose football altogether. I'd rather see us start teaching shoulder first, pull-down tackling than have the sport banned or people stop playing.
edit: Bandit beat me to it.
Seahawks Tackling
If something doesn't change, we'll lose football altogether. I'd rather see us start teaching shoulder first, pull-down tackling than have the sport banned or people stop playing.
edit: Bandit beat me to it.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 11:01 am
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