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NCAA should change "First Four" to last 8 bubble teams

Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:28 am
Posted by GreyReb
Member since Jun 2010
3893 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:28 am
Much more intriguing match-ups

All automatic league champions deserve to be in Round of 64 - even the Hampton's of the world

By kicking out 2 of the 16 seeds before Thursday as it stands now, it is taking away easier games for the 1 & 2 seeds in the 1st round, which they deserve easier games for the work they did during the regular season.


Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:35 am to
I would argue that there shouldn't be a First Four at all. If you can't make the field of 64 either as an at-large or winning an automatic bid, you have no business competing for the national championship anyway.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60090 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:36 am to
I agree, I was thinking the same thing as well. It will boost ratings for these early games, seems like a win win
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20750 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:38 am to
Someone suggested that a few years ago and I think its a great idea.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79032 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:44 am to
Definitely an improvement on what we have now
Posted by GreyReb
Member since Jun 2010
3893 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:48 am to
quote:

I would argue that there shouldn't be a First Four at all. If you can't make the field of 64 either as an at-large or winning an automatic bid, you have no business competing for the national championship anyway.


The field is 68 teams now, got to get over that.

Automatic champions get an automatic bye.

Last 8 at-larges have to duke it out.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:50 am to
If you really want to "punish" bubble teams, make all the play in games as 16 seeds, and play the 1 seeds. Imagine seeing Ole Miss against Wisconsin in the first round. Would make a much more exciting first round.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:51 am to
All I can say is that Ole Miss vs BYU game last night was perfect. I'd take teams like that going for those final spots any day of the week.

Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:52 am to
quote:

The field is 68 teams now, got to get over that.

I know. I just think it's dumb.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60090 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:54 am to
quote:

If you really want to "punish" bubble teams, make all the play in games as 16 seeds, and play the 1 seeds. Imagine seeing Ole Miss against Wisconsin in the first round. Would make a much more exciting first round.


Except then you would punish the one seeds

This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 9:55 am
Posted by GreyReb
Member since Jun 2010
3893 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:57 am to
quote:

if you really want to "punish" bubble teams, make all the play in games as 16 seeds, and play the 1 seeds. Imagine seeing Ole Miss against Wisconsin in the first round. Would make a much more exciting first round.


Punishing the 1 seeds this way.

My suggestion makes it easier on #1's and 2's first round by keeping more 16 seeds in the field of 64.
Posted by Ericvol2096
Charleston, SC
Member since May 2013
2588 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:04 am to
So you'd be putting all four of those teams in as the 16's and moving all the seedings for current 16-12's up 2 spots.

Then you'd have to take out the last 2 11 seeds and even two of the 10 seeds.

That would make in this tournament hypothetically

Ole Miss V
BYU

Dayton V
Boise St

Texas V
UCLA

Georgia V
Indiana

Half of the winners become 11 seeds the other half 10 seeds.

Not a bad idea.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 10:06 am
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
24414 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:05 am to
I refuse to call 4 games the First Round
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5211 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:08 am to
The reason it got to 65, a conference was added and they didn't want to take away the at large spot. And then once you had 1 play in game might as well have 4. I do agree however that all 4 games should be for the 11th seed in each bracket. To make a smaller school fly to Dayton play and then go where ever to play one of the Top 4 teams in the country seems a little daunting task

A little history...

The game was conceived after the Mountain West Conference, which had been formed in 1999 following the split of the Western Athletic Conference, was given an automatic bid for its conference champion, which made it the 31st conference to receive an automatic berth into the men's tournament. Unlike the women's tournament, which accommodated this change by eliminating an at-large bid to keep their field at 64 teams, the organizers of the men's tournament elected to keep their at-large entries at 34. In order to eliminate one of the teams to have a 64-team bracket, it became necessary for another game to be played between the two lowest-ranked teams among the automatic bid leagues.
Posted by GreyReb
Member since Jun 2010
3893 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:18 am to
When it was just the one play-in-game of 2 16 seeds, it made sense.

But now they need to change to 4 at large bid games.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 10:19 am
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1734 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:27 am to
Go to a 64 team at-large tournament with no automatic bids. Sorry Robert Morris, power 5 conference teams wouldnt get a pass losing to 6 teams from the Northeast conference and neither should you. This is collegiate athletics so we shouldn't be handing out participation trophies to terrible teams.

These 16 seed type teams schedule tough non-conference slates every year and typically get blasted by the "good" teams so it's not like in football where the small schools dont have a chance to prove themselves with maybe 1 marquee matchup. These smaller schools get 8-10 chances to prove they can hang with the big boys and if they fall flat on their face they dont deserve to get in just like any other team.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60090 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:33 am to
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Go to a 64 team at-large tournament with no automatic bids


Would ruin the tournament. There are still teams who got in via winning their conference tournament that have gone on runs that are now some of the most memorable moments in tourney history. In this format you have no FGCU, no Valpo, no Bucknell over Kansas, no Princeton over UCLA. It would lose a lot of it's luster and become a pretty bland product
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1734 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:35 am to
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Would ruin the tournament. There are still teams who got in via winning their conference tournament that have gone on runs that are now some of the most memorable moments in tourney history. In this format you have no FGCU, no Valpo, no Bucknell over Kansas, no Princeton over UCLA. It would lose a lot of it's luster and become a pretty bland product




So the 64th best team cant go on a crazy run like this? Just because you recognize the name on the jersey doesn't make it any more crazy when they go on a run like that
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60090 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:37 am to
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So the 64th best team cant go on a crazy run like this? Just because you recognize the name on the jersey doesn't make it any more crazy when they go on a run like that


What?
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1734 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:37 am to
quote:

What?



Say some team like KSU makes the tournament and upsets kentucky as the 1 v 16 seed. That would be just as entertaining as Bucknell taking down Kansas.
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