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How many years behind Detroit is St. Louis?
Posted on 3/13/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 9:51 am
It's now generally accepted that the cause of Detroit's accelerated decline was the extreme race riots, followed by poor leadership and a pronounced flight of wealth from the city. Is St. Louis headed in the same direction? If so, its sad, I enjoyed visiting the Landing and thought the Basilica was the most beautiful cathedral in the States.
How soon until St. Louis arrives at the point Detroit is now?
How soon until St. Louis arrives at the point Detroit is now?
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:06 am to cokebottleag
Pretty sure Detroit's decline was caused by much of the auto industry moving manufacturing out of the city. The city, now running short on revenue, raised taxes even higher, driving people increasingly to the suburbs. That's why Detroit looks post-apocalyptic and the suburbs often look pristine.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:07 am to cokebottleag
I think Detroit's one-horse (pun intended) economy contributed quite a bit to the city's decline. I believe St. Louis has a more diversified local economy among other things; I'd be surprised if it went the way of the Motor City.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:11 am to cokebottleag
Detroit's decline was caused by putting all their eggs in one basket economically and then seeing the domestic portion of that industry fall apart
I am honestly not sure what comprises the St. Louis economic base but that's what will cause it to fall into disrepair, race riots don't really mean shite. LA and Miami have had horrible race riots in the past and it didn't cause those cities to rot
I am honestly not sure what comprises the St. Louis economic base but that's what will cause it to fall into disrepair, race riots don't really mean shite. LA and Miami have had horrible race riots in the past and it didn't cause those cities to rot
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 10:13 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:17 am to cokebottleag
St. Louis is something near Detroit level. The city used to be very manufacturing based, and that has stopped. The suburbs have survived due to corporate offices in the city, and AB (beer).
The city itself is pretty rundown, although there have been certain districts that are trying to lead a revival (near Busch stadium).
It has been known as "the most dangerous city in the US" before, and is referred to as "Detroit South" sometimes.
The city itself is pretty rundown, although there have been certain districts that are trying to lead a revival (near Busch stadium).
It has been known as "the most dangerous city in the US" before, and is referred to as "Detroit South" sometimes.
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 10:20 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:37 am to cokebottleag
I believe the more apropos comparison would be St Louis to Memphis.
They are basically twin cities yet, while everyone has long known Memphis to be a once great, now lost, city ... few people have admitted St Louis is as bad, if not worse.
There are so many parallels to be made between St Louis and Memphis it is almost too obvious. And the commonalities between the two, the destructive denominators, are pretty-much exactly the same.
They are basically twin cities yet, while everyone has long known Memphis to be a once great, now lost, city ... few people have admitted St Louis is as bad, if not worse.
There are so many parallels to be made between St Louis and Memphis it is almost too obvious. And the commonalities between the two, the destructive denominators, are pretty-much exactly the same.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:01 am to scrooster
St. Louis is nothing like Detroit. Detroit and Flint were a one trick pony primarily built upon the car industry. When the car industry pulled out, the economy collapsed.
St. Louis is nothing like that. Not even close. Sure, St. Louis (the city) is a shite hole, but St. Louis City is just a very small population of a much larger suburban area that is middle class to upper crust nice. St. Louis City has a population of 318,000. St. Louis Metro has a population of 2.8 million. St. Louis City comprises 1/8th of the total metro population...and guess where the majority of industry is located? The middle to upper class metro area.
When people say that St. Louis has a high murder rate, they are talking about St. Louis City (downtown). St. Louis metro (suburbs) is a completely different story.
East St. Louis is an Illinois problem that filters over the river into Missouri from time to time. However, even the Illinois side of St. Louis has very nice suburban areas.
The industry in St. Louis is very diverse with several Fortune 500 companies from a wide range of industries. They aren't pulling out. In fact, more companies are moving into the St. Louis area.
This Ferguson bullshite is not a reflection of the area as a whole. In fact, what you see on TV is only taking place in a 1 mile area of that town. The rest of that town is actually not a bad place.
It sucks that the media is focusing on this story which in turn fuels more unrest...a terrible and incredibly misleading cycle that is unfairly creating a false image of a great city.
I place the blame solely on the Obama Administration and the media loyal to his political party narrative. frick them.
Very misleading.
St. Louis is nothing like that. Not even close. Sure, St. Louis (the city) is a shite hole, but St. Louis City is just a very small population of a much larger suburban area that is middle class to upper crust nice. St. Louis City has a population of 318,000. St. Louis Metro has a population of 2.8 million. St. Louis City comprises 1/8th of the total metro population...and guess where the majority of industry is located? The middle to upper class metro area.
When people say that St. Louis has a high murder rate, they are talking about St. Louis City (downtown). St. Louis metro (suburbs) is a completely different story.
East St. Louis is an Illinois problem that filters over the river into Missouri from time to time. However, even the Illinois side of St. Louis has very nice suburban areas.
The industry in St. Louis is very diverse with several Fortune 500 companies from a wide range of industries. They aren't pulling out. In fact, more companies are moving into the St. Louis area.
This Ferguson bullshite is not a reflection of the area as a whole. In fact, what you see on TV is only taking place in a 1 mile area of that town. The rest of that town is actually not a bad place.
It sucks that the media is focusing on this story which in turn fuels more unrest...a terrible and incredibly misleading cycle that is unfairly creating a false image of a great city.
I place the blame solely on the Obama Administration and the media loyal to his political party narrative. frick them.
Very misleading.
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:17 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:09 am to mizzoukills
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mizzoukills
People over react to the whole Ferguson issue. There might be 200 bad actors, leaving 20,911 good people and like you said, most all of that activity is confined to a very small area.
So not only is the whole Ferguson fiasco not a reflection of the city as a whole, it's not even an accurate reflection of Ferguson itself.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:11 am to cokebottleag
Detroit was built off of cars while St. Louis was built on beer. I don't think Americans will give up their bud anytime soon but who knows, in the 1950's people probably wouldn't have believed that there'd be this many imports on today's roads so I guess it could happen.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:14 am to scrooster
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And the commonalities between the two, the destructive denominators, are pretty-much exactly the same.
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:15 am to KSGamecock
I would be interested to see how the craft brewery explosion has impacted numbers for the big three domestic breweries. I don't think it would have hurt them much if any but I just haven't seen anything on it
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:16 am to KSGamecock
Here's the thing that doomed Detroit...when times get bad, the car industry sometimes downsizes or pulls out.
On the other hand, when it comes to St. Louis and the beer industry, when times get bad more people fricking drink beer. Therefore, bad times only make the beer industry more profitable. Did anyone notice that when the peaceful protests started most of the protesters were sitting on street curbs without shirts drinking beer out of paper bags? And when the rioting started, the first places to be looted were gas stations (for beer) and liquor stores (for beer).
Point is, people love beer.
The beer industry isn't going to pull out of St. Louis because of a tiny town experiencing a problem within a 1 mile stretch of that town due to mostly outsider non-St. Louis people paid to protest and occasionally cause trouble.
Smart people understand what's happening in Ferguson. Dumb uneducated people worry that the end of St. Louis is near.
Laughable.
On the other hand, when it comes to St. Louis and the beer industry, when times get bad more people fricking drink beer. Therefore, bad times only make the beer industry more profitable. Did anyone notice that when the peaceful protests started most of the protesters were sitting on street curbs without shirts drinking beer out of paper bags? And when the rioting started, the first places to be looted were gas stations (for beer) and liquor stores (for beer).
Point is, people love beer.
The beer industry isn't going to pull out of St. Louis because of a tiny town experiencing a problem within a 1 mile stretch of that town due to mostly outsider non-St. Louis people paid to protest and occasionally cause trouble.
Smart people understand what's happening in Ferguson. Dumb uneducated people worry that the end of St. Louis is near.
Laughable.
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:19 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Yea, that would be interesting.
Some charts I found from a quick google:
Some charts I found from a quick google:
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:21 am to mizzoukills
All y'all gon die. Edward Jones Dome? More like Thunderdome.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:23 am to KSGamecock
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charts
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:24 am to KSGamecock
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All y'all gon die. Edward Jones Dome? More like Thunderdome.
Springfield, MO has a metro area population of about 436,712 which is approximately 92 percent white. We're doing just fine in SW Missouri. No riots to report. No riots are ever expected to occur here (if you understand the cut of my jib).
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:26 am to mizzoukills
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Springfield, MO
My bad. I didn't realize you were basically an Arkansan. It explains a lot tho.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:30 am to KSGamecock
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My bad. I didn't realize you were basically an Arkansan. It explains a lot tho.
No, mutherfricker. We are not "basically Arkansas" as if somehow Arkansas can claim a city that is located 77 miles north of their border.
Go frick yourself. Springfield is Missouri thru and thru (meth included).
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:32 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:31 am to mizzoukills
Touched a nerve. That's how I know I'm right. 
If I recall my history correctly Springfield was founded by Arkansan Klan members and Missouri State started as a branch of the University of Arkansas.
If I recall my history correctly Springfield was founded by Arkansan Klan members and Missouri State started as a branch of the University of Arkansas.
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:33 am to KSGamecock
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Touched a nerve. That's how I know I'm right
Wrong. The Kansas and Gamecock combination has rotted your brain. Kansas is the king of claiming shite that doesn't belong to them and then they become pussies when you burn down their largest city in retaliation, and the Gamecocks are the king of claiming to be better at sports than they actually are.
Therefore, I'm not surprised by your troll attempt.
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:34 am
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