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re: 4* Safety Cameron Lewis (LA) to commit Thursday morning

Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:54 am to
Posted by VermilionTiger
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:54 am to
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So if LSU continues to recruit Shyheim Carter after he signs the FAA with Alabama, isn't that the same as Alabama continuing to recruit Womack after he signed the FAA with LSU?


Imbecile..
Posted by SouthMSReb
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:11 am to
Yeah Landon collins definitely made the wrong choice.

NC and 1st round pick.
Posted by AdamDeMamp
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:17 am to
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So if LSU continues to recruit Shyheim Carter after he signs the FAA with Alabama, isn't that the same as Alabama continuing to recruit Womack after he signed the FAA with LSU?


This is why it is hard to have a conversation with Bama fans. If you don't think that whole thing was staged then give me a break. He committed to LSU but as soon as Bama turned up the heat, he committed to them silently and then publicly announced his flip to Alabama a day before the dead period. Yeah, not staged at all. As stated in this thread, you got us but don't even act like the timing of it all was a coincidence.

Again, it's part of the game and Alabama did nothing wrong by the rule book, but it could have been handled differently.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:43 am to
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The rumor is that he enjoys visiting Nashville in December. He should fit in well with the LSU program


Is this the same rumor you are hearing about Carter?
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:54 am to
No one did anything wrong in the Matt Womack situation. For heaven's sake, he's a 3* tackle who wouldn't play until his 5th year for either team, haha. The only party that did something wrong was whoever marched into the SEC office and blew the whistle on a stupid rule that the NCAA wasn't planning on enforcing anyway. Was that Alabama? They're the easy guess, but it could have been Vanderbilt for all we know.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 8:55 am
Posted by lsufan1909
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:54 am to
Let's be fair; he would've had a just as good, if not slightly better, career at LSU. His talent and hard work got him into the first round, compared to the coaching.
Posted by buckRogers
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:58 am to
LC wouldn't have won a championship at LSU (I think that's fair to say because he wasn't miles ahead of the safeties LSU had in his time) but Raymond would have taught him to be much better in coverage. That said, I really don't know if coverage is more difficult to pick up on as opposed to learning to be an aggressive run stopper, so who knows.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 9:25 am
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:44 am to
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Imbecile..



I like how you resort to name calling when you can't disprove what I wrote. How is it any different for LSU to continue to recruit Shyheim Carter should he sign an FAA with Alabama? For all of your "insiders" saying that Alabama was going to turn you in, your insiders were also adamant about five for five. I'm not sure they should be trusted.

Alabama did nothing wrong. We needed a right tackle, so we pursued one committed to another school. That is no worse than LSU continuing to pursue Shyheim if he signs an FAA with Alabama. Had we not pursued Matt Womack, we would have went 0fer for tackles in this past recruiting class.
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:51 am to
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your insiders were also adamant about five for five


5for5 was only a debacle because it all happened on the same night. In context, our insiders were wrong about 3 recruits right there, which is a fraction of the number of botched predictions any teams insiders will have in a given year. And to be fair, George Willis was purposely lying to LSU coaches - that's a fact.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 9:52 am
Posted by chattabama
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:04 am to
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5for5 was only a debacle because it all happened on the same night. In context, our insiders were wrong about 3 recruits right there, which is a fraction of the number of botched predictions any teams insiders will have in a given year. And to be fair, George Willis was purposely lying to LSU coaches - that's a fact.



Your insiders were also pretty adamant about LC for a long time. Some of them also said it was a matter of time before Charlot was flipping to LSU.

Do you think some random on a message board should be trusted 100%? I could say that I spoke with Nick Saban the other day, and he personally told me that Alabama wasn't going to turn in LSU. I could also say that Matt Womack told me himself that he wanted to screw over LSU. Does that make it true?
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:11 am to
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Your insiders were also pretty adamant about LC for a long time. Some of them also said it was a matter of time before Charlot was flipping to LSU.

Do you think some random on a message board should be trusted 100%? I could say that I spoke with Nick Saban the other day, and he personally told me that Alabama wasn't going to turn in LSU. I could also say that Matt Womack told me himself that he wanted to screw over LSU. Does that make it true?


George Willis was only a shade worse of a recruiting troll than LC. They both had a mother wanting them to go to LSU and that very apparently cause a lot of ill will during their recruitment processes, to the point of constantly telling LSU coaches what they wanted to hear.

Charlot was a simple and common case of guys being wrong. I have no problem with the notion that some people thought he'd flip. However not much stock was put into that theory by legit reporters.

I think we have different definitions of insiders though. I consider insiders to be guys who aren't employed at LSU-Athletics but report on the program. Guys like the Geaux247 staff (yes, these guys were #5for5 as well). I don't consider a single person who posts on here to be an "insider".

So no, I don't follow the notion that Matt Womack and Alabama schemed to screw LSU over. Regardless of what source claims it, I do find it plausible that an LSU rival went to the SEC HQ and ensured the enforcement of an archaic rule. Alabama lies atop that list, but not without doubt.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 10:15 am
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:23 am to
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I think we have different definitions of insiders though. I consider insiders to be guys who aren't employed at LSU-Athletics but report on the program. Guys like the Geaux247 staff (yes, these guys were #5for5 as well). I don't consider a single person who posts on here to be an "insider".



Has there been a legit source saying that Alabama was going to turn in LSU? If so, link?

I think it's within the realm of possibility, but I also think that compliance departments like to screw over their own school. Look at the HaHa Clinton-Dix case for example. Nobody would have ever known had we not told on ourselves. The money was paid back to the S&C assistant long before the story ever broke. We had no guarantee of what the NCAA was going to do, but we told them anyway.
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
1835 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:29 am to
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Has there been a legit source saying that Alabama was going to turn in LSU? If so, link?

I think it's within the realm of possibility, but I also think that compliance departments like to screw over their own school. Look at the HaHa Clinton-Dix case for example. Nobody would have ever known had we not told on ourselves. The money was paid back to the S&C assistant long before the story ever broke. We had no guarantee of what the NCAA was going to do, but we told them anyway.


Heck no there's no legit source, haha. No way a reporter puts their head on the chopping block like that.

It's very possible that LSU's own compliance department did this. What has been reported via a Les Miles interview was that the LSU compliance department informed Miles to "Cease and desist" recruiting Womack. Does this mean they followed that up with turning themselves into the SEC? I think it's about as good a chance as a different school outing them. This is a pretty nit-picky rule - it's not quite the same as discovering that your player received $$$. With that in mind I'd say that it was a different team in the SEC HQ making sure this rule got enforced.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 10:30 am
Posted by Cadello
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:50 am to
Pretty sure with his skills he would have done that anywhere douche.

1st rounder I mean...
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 10:51 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:00 am to
AU lock
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:05 am to
Clicked on a thread about Cameron Lewis. Ended up in a thread about Matt Womack and Shyheim Carter.
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
1835 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:18 am to
You're also a ULL fan on an SEC board. How much more lost can you get?
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:39 pm to
Pipe down Newby.
Posted by Brageous
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:50 pm to
lsu lock

he wants to be a part of DBU just like Shyheim Carter when he eventually flips...

Saivon Smith, Trayvon Mullen, Kristian Fulton, Shyheim Carter, Cameron Lewis, and possibly Deontay Anderson

#DBUsons
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73408 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:32 pm to
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Saivon Smith, Trayvon Mullen, Kristian Fulton, Shyheim Carter, Cameron Lewis, and possibly Deontay Anderson


Insane DB talent right there.
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