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Upgrades and Downgrades from 2014 to 2015 (Auburn)
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:56 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:56 am
quote:QB: Same
Auburn
RB: Upgrade
H-BACK: Same
WR: Same
TE: Downgrade
OL: Upgrade
DL: Upgrade
LB: Upgrade
CB: Same
S: Same
K: Upgrade
KR: Downgrade
PR: Downgrade
QB: Auburn transitions from Nick Marshall to Jeremy Johnson here. Nick Marshall was definitely the better runner of the two, but Jeremy Johnson is definitely the better passer of the two. Expect a more pass oriented offense for Auburn this year with less read option (but a combo of offenses in 2009 and 2013/2014).
RB: Auburn transitions from Corey Grant and Cam Artis-Payne to Racean Thomas and Jovon Robinson. While Auburn doesn't seem to have that true outside, speed threat anymore, they have two incredible running backs to replace the SEC's leading rusher. Though Cam Artis-Payne was never the most freakish running back, he was as consistent as they come and he always showed up for work.
H-BACK: As mentioned, Brandon Fulse was the h-back in 2014 (former tight end). Waiting in the wings is Kam Pettway and Chandler Cox. I give Kam Pettway the early nod due to familiarity at this point. This position is pivotal for the offense.
WR: Auburn returns everyone not named Sammie Coates. Auburn will miss him, IMO, especially given his down-field play-making ability. Having said that, Auburn will be more consistent without Sammie Coates out wide. Duke Williams, arguably the top wide receiver in the SEC and country, will be a #1 target of Jeremy Johnson (Arkansas fans still have nightmares of the two), and Melvin Ray, Ricardo Louis (breakout year coming), Tony Stevens and company will be ready.
TE: Due to the tight-end not being very involved in Auburn's offensive scheme, I almost didn't list the position. However, CJ Uzomah and Brandon Fulse (even though he played h-back) will be tough to replace. CJ Uzomah was an awesome redzone target and Brandon Fulse brought leadership and knowledge of the blocking system.
OL: Auburn is replacing one of the best centers in Auburn history here, Reese Dismukes. Auburn is also replacing Chad Slade, but he was slow as molasses and about as agile as a beached whale. Austin Golson, who started as a true freshman at Ole Miss, is expected to take over at center, Braden Smith is expected to take over for Chad Slade, Alex Kozan (All-SEC as redshirt freshman) Avery Young and Shon Coleman all return.
DL: What to say about this group... Carl Lawson returns, Byron Cowart was added to the group, Montravius Adams is back, Devonte Lambert is back and Elijah Daniels is back. Auburn lost some players here as well, but the only player hard to replace is Gabe Wright. This position will be fun to watch.
LB: Kris Frost, Cass McKinzy, Tre Williams, Justin Garrett and everyone else returns other than Anthony Swain (tragic knee injury against Arkansas in 2013). Auburn also adds a couple new signees and has moved Derrick Moncrief to linebacker.
CB/S: A lot of movement will go on here for Auburn. They lost Jermaine Whitehead, Trovon Reed and John Mincy, but added Tray Matthews from transfer. As fans, we aren't really sure who will play CB or S due to cross-training in the past.
K: Daniel Carlson returns.
KR: Auburn loses Corey Grant and Quan Bray here, but figures to give Ricardo Louis, Stanton Truitt and Racean Thomas shots at kick return (among with some other players).
PR: Auburn loses Quan Bray here who had a pretty incredible year returning punts, like Chris Davis before him. Again, other guys will get a shot here. No idea who just yet.
How does the rest of the SEC stack up compared to the previous season?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:57 am to TTsTowel
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How does the rest of the SEC stack up compared to the previous season?
We are gonna be better.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:59 am to TTsTowel
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QB: Same
Not sure how you can really say that. JJ has only played in mopup duty right? And as you mentioned he's certainly more of a passer, which isn't necessarily what Gus's offense is all about. I'm not saying anyting one way or another about JJ, other than that I would be surprised if you don't at least see SOMEwhat of a dip at QB.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:00 pm to WG_Dawg
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Not sure how you can really say that. JJ has only played in mopup duty right?
Well he's a QB, not a CB. so to me that already seems like a plus. So maybe you're right you can't say same...it should read upgrade.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:01 pm to WG_Dawg
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RB: Upgrade
WR: Same
CB: Same
S: Same
Delusional. RB: Same at best. Other three are downgrades
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:03 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:No.
JJ has only played in mopup duty right?
quote:Gus Malzahn's offense has produced 5,000 yard passers in the past.
And as you mentioned he's certainly more of a passer, which isn't necessarily what Gus's offense is all about.
He fits it to his players.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:05 pm to StopRobot
quote:Feel free to explain.quote:Delusional. RB: Same at best. Other three are downgrades
RB: Upgrade
WR: Same
CB: Same
S: Same
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:05 pm to WG_Dawg
QB: Upgrade (5th year senior, upgraded weapons at WR)
RB: Same
WR/TE: Upgrade (added #1 TE class and didn't lose much)
OL: Upgrade (return 4/5, lost probably the weakest one)
DL: Downgrade (Flowers and Philon gone, still talented)
LB: Downgrade (Spaight gone, Ellis back but still thin)
Secondary: Same (solid last year and should be again)
K: Upgrade (mediocre last year and redshirted a Parade AA kicker)
KR: Downgrade
PR: Upgrade (JoJo Robinson or Jared Cornelius IMO)
RB: Same
WR/TE: Upgrade (added #1 TE class and didn't lose much)
OL: Upgrade (return 4/5, lost probably the weakest one)
DL: Downgrade (Flowers and Philon gone, still talented)
LB: Downgrade (Spaight gone, Ellis back but still thin)
Secondary: Same (solid last year and should be again)
K: Upgrade (mediocre last year and redshirted a Parade AA kicker)
KR: Downgrade
PR: Upgrade (JoJo Robinson or Jared Cornelius IMO)
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:07 pm to gohogs141
Agreed on all parts.
Who is Arkansas looking to put at kick return?
Who is Arkansas looking to put at kick return?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:10 pm to TTsTowel
QB: Upgrade (can't get worse)
RB: Same
WR: Upgrade (Return everyone)
TE: Upgrade (Return Everyone)
OL: Same
DL: Same (Lose DEs, but return all DTs)
LB: Downgrade slightly
DB: Same
ST: Upgrade (Return Everyone)
RB: Same
WR: Upgrade (Return everyone)
TE: Upgrade (Return Everyone)
OL: Same
DL: Same (Lose DEs, but return all DTs)
LB: Downgrade slightly
DB: Same
ST: Upgrade (Return Everyone)
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:11 pm to TTsTowel
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Feel free to explain.
I'll chime in:
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RB: Upgrade
You don't lose two guys who have been in the system since Malzhan arrived, one who was your starter this past season, and go to two guys with which one was a Tr Fr last season and the other has never played in Malzhans system and consider it an upgrade.
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WR: Same
Losing Coates will put all the attention on Duke. Maybe the same, but with teams focusing on Duke, I could see his #'s dropping.
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CB: Same
S: Same
You will probably have 2-3 new starters. You will see some drop-off early. How the new starters progress throughout the season will be tantamount to your D's success.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:11 pm to StopRobot
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Delusional. RB: Same at best. Other three are downgrades
I could humor an argument for WR being a slight downgrade, but how are CB and S a downgrade?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:11 pm to TTsTowel
I admittedly don't know much about JJ, other than he's a big dude with a big arm. What game action has he gotten not in mop up duty? I honestly don't know.
As for UGA I'll go with this:
QB- down
RB- even. You simply don't replace gurley, who is our 2nd best RB of all time, but having a healthy sony and marshall makes the overall unit probably on par with '14
WR- up
TE- up
OL- even
DL- probably slightly worse, with potential for better (just lots of inexperience, not hurting for talent though)
LB- better
CB- better
S- even to slightly worse
As for UGA I'll go with this:
QB- down
RB- even. You simply don't replace gurley, who is our 2nd best RB of all time, but having a healthy sony and marshall makes the overall unit probably on par with '14
WR- up
TE- up
OL- even
DL- probably slightly worse, with potential for better (just lots of inexperience, not hurting for talent though)
LB- better
CB- better
S- even to slightly worse
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:11 pm to TTsTowel
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Duke Williams, arguably the top wide receiver in the SEC and country
I haven't seen anyone make that argument until now
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:12 pm to TTsTowel
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Agreed on all parts. Who is Arkansas looking to put at kick return?
JoJo Robinson assuming he doesn't get kicked off the team between now and opening day.
We had Alex Collins back there for the last couple of games this past season and he looked great. Much better than Keon Hatcher.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:15 pm to Bamad
quote:We lost Tre Mason in 2013 and I told every that is would almost be a wash at the position. Gus Malzahn is a running scheme wizard, and not to say it's the system that makes his running backs good, but he can plug almost anyone in and make it incredible. We just so happen to be replacing Cam Artis-Payne and Corey Grant (who was even phased out of the offense in 2014) with Jovon Robinson and Racean Thomas. 2 5 stars.
You don't lose two guys who have been in the system since Malzhan arrived, one who was your starter this past season, and go to two guys with which one was a Tr Fr last season and the other has never played in Malzhans system and consider it an upgrade.
quote:Duke Williams missed 4 games in 2014, and you see his numbers dropping? No way. Also, Sammie Coates hardly showed up in 2014. He was either fire hot or ice cold.
Losing Coates will put all the attention on Duke. Maybe the same, but with teams focusing on Duke, I could see his #'s dropping.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:18 pm to WG_Dawg
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What game action has he gotten not in mop up duty?
Played the first half against Arky last year while Nick Marshall sat due to the arrest. 12/16 for 243 and 2 TDs.
Also played the whole game in 2013 against WCU. 17/21 for 201 and 4TDs/1INT
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:20 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:quote:I haven't seen anyone make that argument until now
Duke Williams, arguably the top wide receiver in the SEC and country
quote:https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/auburnauthority/2015/01/21/me-kiper-jr-has-dhaquille-williams-as-no-1-guy-at-wr-for-2016-nfl-draft/22112071/
"Duke Williams will be the elite guy you would think and you would hope next year," Kiper said during a teleconference Wednesday. "I think when you look at Duke Williams he'll be the No. 1 guy and next year he'll go into the season right there at the top. There's not going to be many receivers rated ahead, if any rated ahead of Duke Williams going into the season. He's going to have a very high grade."
Talking about the NFL Draft.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:22 pm to TTsTowel
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We lost Tre Mason in 2013 and I told every that is would almost be a wash at the position. Gus Malzahn is a running scheme wizard, and not to say it's the system that makes his running backs good, but he can plug almost anyone in and make it incredible. We just so happen to be replacing Cam Artis-Payne and Corey Grant (who was even phased out of the offense in 2014) with Jovon Robinson and Racean Thomas. 2 5 stars.
You're right, but how quickly can Robinson pick up the offense and is Thomas ready to be the #1 back. To say its an upgrade is a stretch at the moment. It could happen, but at this time, only Thomas has experience with the offense.
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Duke Williams missed 4 games in 2014, and you see his numbers dropping? No way. Also, Sammie Coates hardly showed up in 2014. He was either fire hot or ice cold.
I should have expanded more than just saying his #'s will drop. Before last year Duke wasn't a house-hold name, today I would argue he would go in the first 2-3 rounds of the NFL draft (god knows I wanted my Buccs to snag him in the 4th tbh). With teams knowing what he can do they will shift their defenses to focus on stopping him. Does Auburn have another WR ready to go to pick up the slack should teams dedicate a double team to Duke?
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