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re: Bo Jackson... If he is goat then please explain these facts...
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:40 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:40 pm to WG_Dawg
That response doesn't even make any sense on any level. Bo was great when he played football. After he got hurt he wasn't. It isn't difficult to figure out that he would have been great but for the hip injury. You acting like he was all potential doesn't acknowledge what we know about his career. He and Marcus Allen were the best tandem of all time.
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:41 pm to WG_Dawg
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you may want to start by getting things correct, since I have never once equated durability to a skill. You said that.
Is durability not a skill? Who the frick argues with that?
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:42 pm to therick711
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Bo was great when he played football. After he got hurt he wasn't.
But you're trying to say that simply because he wasns't full health that it's irrelevant. He was great, then he wasn't as great. It all still matters and still counts. Herschel was great from the time he started until he just got old as hell. Bo shouldn't get some pass simply because he suffered an injury.
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You acting like he was all potential doesn't acknowledge what we know about his career.
I have never once diminished what bo did. Everybody knows he was incredible, and a top 3 or 4 RB in sec history. I have never disputed that.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:43 pm to WG_Dawg
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I DID say that durability should be a factor in how people's careers are viewed. I think that's perfectly reasonable. To use an extreme hypothetical, how would you view a true freshman RB that ran for 2,000 yards and 25 touchdowns then was paralyzed after that? Incredible talent, incredible season, incredible potential...absolutely. But nobody in their right mind would compare his career to others that played longer. It would be unfortunate, it would suck, it would be unlucky as hell, but it would still be a factor on which his career is judged. Would you disagree?
I don't have to agree or disagree because that isn't the case that we are currently talking about. Bo Jackson had a lengthy collegiate career and a pro career that was cut short. Look at his numbers in both sports he played. He was trending up in both professional leagues. Look at the results after the hip, it ended his football and sapped his power and speed in baseball. We don't have a blip, we have a pretty good sample. The guy showed up to pro football without training camp and was a monster. That's pretty much unheard of.
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:46 pm to therick711
Looking forward to this same exact thread a couple months from now. Goes well with the countless other Bo vs. Herschel pissing matches.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:48 pm to therick711
Bo's stats at Auburn were not what they would have been at most other schools. Bo first two years, they ran the wishbone and he shared carries with at least 3 other RBs. If he was used like a rented mule the way UGA used Walker, nobody would have touched his stats.
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:48 pm to OffroadSportsman89
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:50 pm to Irons Puppet
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If he was used like a rented mule the UGA used Walker, nobody would have touched his stats.
And if herschel played 4 years nobody would even have a prayer of breaking the records he would have surely obliterated.
But he didn't, so oh well.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:51 pm to WG_Dawg
Bo is better, period. Anyone can see that.
Not sure why this is still even a debate.
Not sure why this is still even a debate.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:00 pm to NeverToYield
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Bo is better, period if you're an Auburn fan. Anyone can see that as long as they don't actually look at any numbers on production.
Not sure why this is still even a debate.
FYP
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:38 pm to OffroadSportsman89
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Heck, It's not really even a close comparison
all that needed to be said
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:09 pm to therick711
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He and Marcus Allen were the best tandem of all time.
No. I mean they were good. But the 1972 Dolphins had two running backs that broke 1,000 yards rushing in the same season. (And this was in a 14 game season) Mercury Morris and Larry Csonka.
They also had Jim Kiick pick up another 500+ yards.
Bo was potentially a HOF player...but you cannot say he was definitively the best because of his hip injury. Sadly, how great he would have been can only be speculated. We saw flashes of brilliance in Jackson that suggests he would have been a HOF football player...but the facts are that he never rushed for more than 1,000 yards in a season. He was a special talent, and from what I have seen he is a special human being.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:11 pm to therick711
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Look at his numbers in both sports he played. He was trending up in both professional leagues.
And you probably would have argued that Gurley was not the best RB in the SEC because he was not durable enough.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:12 pm to NeverToYield
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Bo is better, period. Anyone can see that.
And yet, only Auburn fans do. Or at least mainly Auburn fans.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:14 pm to DawgsLife
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And you probably would have argued that Gurley was not the best RB in the SEC because he was not durable enough.
Arguing is so easy when you get to argue your side and create what the other side says.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:15 pm to therick711
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Arguing is so easy when you get to argue your side and create what the other side says.
Ok. Then say it. Gurley was the best back in the SEC last year.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:21 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Goes well with the countless other Bo vs. Herschel pissing matches.
The Bo vs Walker new pissing match is Chubb vs Fournette...
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:24 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Maybe, maybe not, the injuries he had mighta surfaced earlier in his career. All we have is facts, not conjecture & what if's... Both were great...
If he was used like a rented mule the way UGA used Walker, nobody would have touched his stats.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:25 pm to DawgsLife
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Ok. Then say it. Gurley was the best back in the SEC last year.
Here's why you lose arguments, you have a decent point but don't frame it right. Gurley had a good season last year. He didn't have the best season last year.
In the actual argument in this thread, we aren't talking about any given season or even any production level or what the numbers mean. We are trying to quantify the unquantifiable: who is the best athlete. There is evidence in support of both players. You can be the best athlete (Gurley would certainly be in contention for that) and not be the most productive (Gurley was not). So, in other words, your point is irrelevant.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:26 pm to dallasga6
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The Bo vs Walker new pissing match is Chubb vs Fournette.
It's fun to argue about it. we all have our favorites. It would be odd if an Auburn fan did not think Bo was the best. And they have every right to believe that. I understand. It would be odd to see a Georgia fan say he didn't think Herschel was the best. We have a point, too.
They were both special players, and in my mind the more fun to watch than any other college running backs.
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