re: Another rape reported on campus

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Well shite.. you've convinced me. We'll all be magically safer with more guns around people who are drinking a lot and acting like college kids.

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As a veteran, I would just like to point out that 95% of your nations military is made up of heavy drinking, smoking, chewing, fricking, and overall debauchery partaking males ages 18-25

I cant even count the number of times I was completely shite faced at PT on Monday mornings.

There is no correlation between social activities and responsible gun ownership... sorry...



Statistically, when gun ownership rises, the crime rate goes down. Hence places that have, up until a few months ago... an outright ban on legal firearm ownership (DC, Chicago, etc) always have the highest crime rates.

When law abiding citizens, people who ARE responsible and are NOT criminals, own firearms... everyone around is safer for it.

Fact.

Different sources Same trend.

Do they let soldiers concealed carry on bases?

It would be carry concealed, but anyway, no and there are more than a few people that think its an absurd stance.

For instance, what happened on Ft Hood was an absolute nightmare, and could, and would have been instantly prevented had CC been allowed. Its an awful policy.


In regards to the fantastic death by firearms graphic above, take a look at the overall violent crime statistics. THOSE are what tell the stories. Places like the UK that have taken harsher and harsher stances against private gun ownership have not seen a radical decrease in violent crime. In fact, their violent crime rate still remains higher than ours here in the US, even as gun ownership continues to skyrocket.

What those number suggest is that if there were less guns, there would be less crime. No, if there were less guns the bad guys would have them and everyone trying to avoid being a felon would not. The bad guys are going to have their guns, nothing you can do about that. What you can do is allow law abiding citizens to responsibly counter the threat and protect themselves.

Lastly, I would like to point out that 1) I have no idea where any of those graphs came from, and because of the ridiculous number of liberal think tanks that are firm believers in banning personal firearm possession I take them with a grain of salt.

And 2) LINK /

LINK

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Detroit, MI
St Louis, MO
Oakland, CA
Memphis, TN
Birmingham, AL
Atlanta, GA
Baltimore, MD
Stockton, CA
Cleveland, OH
Buffalo, NY

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I see a lot of liberal shite holes that have either banned concealed carry, handgun ownership, or strictly limit it, on that list.

Yeah... why dont we just make murder illegal, that will solve it...

LINK

There is a good one, a Harvard Law study.

WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE
MURDER AND SUICIDE?

A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AND
SOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCE

"More than 100 million handguns are owned in the United
States primarily for self-defense, and 3.5 million people have
permits to carry concealed handguns for protection.86 Recent
analysis reveals “a great deal of self-defensive use of firearms” in
the United States, “in fact, more defensive gun uses [by victims]
than crimes committed with firearms.”

Here is the bottom line:

CONCLUSION

This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence
from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual
portion of evidence is subject to cavil—at the very least the
general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific
evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of
conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the bur-
den of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal
more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, espe-
cially since they argue public policy ought to be based on
that mantra. To bear that burden would at the very least
require showing that a large number of nations with more
guns have more death and that nations that have imposed
stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions
in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are
not observed when a large number of nations are compared
across the world.

Top 20 nations in GDP per Capita followed by murder rate, suicide rate and then their guns per 100 people.

1 Qatar 1.1/19.2
2 Luxembourg 0.8/15.3
3 Singapore 0.2/0.5
4 Brunei 2.0/1.4
5 Kuwait 0.4/24.8
6 Norway 2.2/31.3
7 United Arab Emirates 2.6/22.1
8 San Marino 0.7/no info
9 Switzerland 0.6/45.7
10 United States 4.7/88.8
11 Saudi Arabia 0.8/35
12 Bahrain 0.5/24.8
13 Netherlands 0.9/3.9
14 Australia 1.1/15
15 Ireland 1.2/8.6
16 Austria 0.9/30.4
17 Germany 0.8/30.3
18 Sweden 0.7/31.6
19 Oman 1.1/25.5
20 Canada 1.6/30.8



In economically stable countries, the United States has double the murder rate and double the number of guns. I'm not sure how adding more guns is supposed to make people safer :P

(Note that I'm not advocating banning guns.. I'm just saying that people arguing more guns make us safer are full of shite. Also, I'm pretty sure most of you know what the word anecdote means :P)

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Yeah... why dont we just make murder illegal, that will solve it...

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Using that implied logic, murder should be legal since criminals will be doing it anyway.

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This is my stance exactly.

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So we would be safer if only criminals had guns? Or everyone who owned a gun was considered a criminal?

Guns are a deterrence, plain and simple. Wolves dont like to attack other wolves...

Much easier to go after the sheep.

Shut up Pigfeet.