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re: atlanta: When/If the $hit Hits the Fan............
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:58 am to Jefferson Dawg
Posted on 2/28/15 at 10:58 am to Jefferson Dawg
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The power is out for the entire eastern U.S.
I'd go west.
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:04 am to JacketFan77
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This is a flat-out lie.
Unless someone has their own seed storage with heirloom varieties, and most people don't, then isn't germandawg mostly right?
If not, please explain.
ETA... the son of a bitch is probably furiously typing out the same argument right now, and as Jefferson said, in many more words than necessary.
This post was edited on 2/28/15 at 11:05 am
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:08 am to deeprig9
While we wait for German,
Apocalypse Trivia:
Why is a veterinarian more valuable than a human doctor in SHTF scenario?
Apocalypse Trivia:
Why is a veterinarian more valuable than a human doctor in SHTF scenario?
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:11 am to Jefferson Dawg
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The power is out for the entire eastern U.S.
Just the power? Nothing else going on? Interesting, but I would think it would be recoverable. I don't think people would panic until their favorite television show is supposed to be on.
This post was edited on 2/28/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:13 am to deeprig9
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While we wait for German,
Apocalypse Trivia:
Why is a veterinarian more valuable than a human doctor in SHTF scenario?
In the case that we have no power...animals would be our source for food and transportation.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:17 am to Jefferson Dawg
Ladyluck nailed it. An EMP blast is probably the most significant risk alongside a pandemic. Anyone see Contagion? The movie was so-so but the consequences of a significant outbreak were pretty accurate IMO. There's always a financial collapse too...how do you think it would look if the 40% or so on Federal assistance had to suddenly fend for themselves?
For all the bravado in this thread, it's clear that most have no idea what they'd do if the local grocery ran out of food...and there was no gas...and the water stopped to magically appear from the faucet. Even small localized events have shown the shite can hit the fan pretty quickly.
I have about a months worth of food and unlimited water. Anything longer than that and it would start getting real tough real quick. Just in two generations my family went from self sufficient farmers and hunters to people who need the "system" to survive. I think history will show that to have been a big mistake.
For all the bravado in this thread, it's clear that most have no idea what they'd do if the local grocery ran out of food...and there was no gas...and the water stopped to magically appear from the faucet. Even small localized events have shown the shite can hit the fan pretty quickly.
I have about a months worth of food and unlimited water. Anything longer than that and it would start getting real tough real quick. Just in two generations my family went from self sufficient farmers and hunters to people who need the "system" to survive. I think history will show that to have been a big mistake.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:23 am to Jefferson Dawg
Will go to Atlanta with truck nuts and flat bed trailer and rescue people.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:24 am to DawgsLife
quote:Ebola kind of proves my point though as far as travel spreading it much faster (though the Ebola 'scare' was so overblown that it's laughable.
However...don't forget Ebola. Remember the woman who promised to Quarantine herself for 21 days and was seen going through a drive through window buying fast food? She was not locked away in a hospital in spite of the dangers, and we already know what happened in Africa due to Ebola.
My point is that when people go to the small hospitals with this new crazy disease that is rapidly progressing, they'll be sent to the tertiary care centers and it'll go from there. I'm not talking about people being locked away in a hospital to protect others, I'm talking about the people who are there because they're so sick from it.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:34 am to Dick Leverage
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Will go to Atlanta with truck nuts and flat bed trailer and rescue people.
If the human race gets stamped out like the dinosaurs did, I wonder how confused future space archeologists would be if they ever dug up a truck fossil with chrome nuts on the hitch.....
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:35 am to TMDawg
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(though the Ebola 'scare' was so overblown that it's laughable.
It was overblown here, but not in Africa. It was a very real problem. Now...if the woman that went on her business instead of quarantining herself as promised had actually been contagious? It could have spread rather quickly and gotten ugly.
I know of a pastor in Africa who died from Ebola. he had a wife and children. A woman came to his house asking for help because she had no transportation and needed to get to a hospital. He put her in his car and took her. I'm not sure what happened to her, but he contracted Ebola and died, from what I understand.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:47 am to DawgsLife
quote:Oh for sure. I was referring to as far as what people thought would happen in the U.S. It has definitely been a significant problem in African for a good while for a number of reasons.
It was overblown here, but not in Africa.
quote:A big reason for the spread in Africa has to do with issues surrounding the infected staying at home until too late for fear of quarantine and stigmatization as well as the methods of body disposal. It's just that the viral load is so high when people are in the later stages and there's so many body fluids being expelled in different ways that it is spread much more easily.
It could have spread rather quickly and gotten ugly.
Just being on a plane flight with someone exposed to Ebola, or even someone in the incubation period, doesn't pose a risk to others. That being said, quarantine obviously makes sense and I'm not saying I'd want to be on the plane with them
Now if Ebola ever went airborne, then yes the world would end.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 11:52 am to deeprig9
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Why is a veterinarian more valuable than a human doctor in SHTF scenario?
1: Vets are allowed to possess controlled substances, among other drugs/antibiotics, most of which are the same that are used on people. Human doctors are not (except pharmacists). Any vet that shows up on your compound or in your caravan is likely to have a suitcase of goodies and decent knowledge on how to use them on humans as well.
2: Trained in physiology, pharmacology, surgery, multiple disciplines, multiple species, more well rounded physician than most (but not all) human doctors. Sure if you have a foot problem you will want a podiatrist, if you have eye problem you want an eye doctor, and so on. But if you can only pick one kind of doctor that knows a little bit about everything, you need a veterinarian. Many vets can also go on and specialize in things like oncology, etc.
3: They are generally more intelligent than most human doctors, especially the younger ones. Vet schools have become much more competitive than medical schools in recent years. Straight A's and a good MCAT gets you into medical school. Straight A's and a good GRE do NOT get you into a Vet school. Cornell, TAMU, UF, and UGA specifically. You find a white female vet that has graduated from one of these in the last 10 years and you are dealing with a person that is smarter than most human doctors. The reason I say white female is because men and minorities get special treatment in the admissions process.
This is why you want a UGA Vet in your camp.
This is why I married a (soon to be) one.
That's my apocalypse plan. This should get our family into one of the redneck fortresses guarded by AR-15's with clear running springs, livestock, CB radios, some kind of power generation on a stream, etc.
I'll use my worthless journalism degree to start a town newsletter, or get involved in local politics.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:08 pm to deeprig9
That, or your wife murders you in your sleep and marries a farmer
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:12 pm to deeprig9
While it definitely takes really good grades and scores to get into vet school and one would definitely be valuable in this type of scenario, this part
In the type of scenario we are talking about though, give me an older country primary care doc. You don't need the specialist's knowledge in this type of situation. We aren't talking about needing cutting edge technology or diagnostics.
quote:is not true when it comes to medicine involving humans (excluding the multiple species part for sure). I doubt someone who studied veterinary medicine is going to have the same understanding of human medicine as someone who spent 3-7 years in residency followed by practicing for years. What you learn in school is important, but once you're in residency and beyond you realize it's just meant as more of a foundation for learning how to actually use it. And that's not a knock against vets because they're smart as hell.
Trained in physiology, pharmacology, surgery, multiple disciplines, multiple species, more well rounded physician than most (but not all) human doctors.
In the type of scenario we are talking about though, give me an older country primary care doc. You don't need the specialist's knowledge in this type of situation. We aren't talking about needing cutting edge technology or diagnostics.
This post was edited on 2/28/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:17 pm to TMDawg
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I doubt someone who studied veterinary medicine is going to have the same understanding of human medicine
I never said nor implied as much. Re-read my post.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:23 pm to TMDawg
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In the type of scenario we are talking about though, give me an older country primary care doc.
So long as you realize he has no drugs and probably hasn't touched a scalpel or set a bone in 30 years because he's just been a vaccinator of illegal immigrants on the Medicare dole.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:28 pm to TMDawg
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Now if Ebola ever went airborne, then yes the world would end
Surely the all-knowing benevolent u.s. government would never experiment with using viruses such as Ebola as weapons would it? Sorry. That's crazy talk. I'm off my rocker.....
s.i.y.g.'e.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:38 pm to deeprig9
quote:The set of necessary surgical skills isn't going to be things requiring anesthesia. We are talking I&Ds and the like. And yea, a vet would definitely be able to do that too. The reason I said an old country doc is they're used to seeing people for so long for a wide variety of problems that they're going to be able to handle all the stuff you're treating in such a scenario.
probably hasn't touched a scalpel
The big trauma requiring ex-lap or thoracotomies, etc. isn't what you're treating. Those people die in these scenarios.
The really valuable person when it comes to drugs is gonna be the owner of the pharmacy that cleans the shelves when it all starts.
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:38 pm to JacketFan77
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That, or your wife murders you in your sleep and marries a farmer
Yes, getting murdered in your sleep puts a damper on anyone's plans, doesn't it?
Am I missing your point?
Posted on 2/28/15 at 12:41 pm to TMDawg
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The big trauma requiring ex-lap or thoracotomies, etc. isn't what you're treating. Those people die in these scenarios.
Unless you've got a vet with lots of goodies.
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The really valuable person when it comes to drugs is gonna be the owner of the pharmacy that cleans the shelves when it all starts.
Vet has everything a pharmacist has. And knows how to do surgery. And knows alot about parasites that most human doctors do not. And is actually a specialist on animals, obviously.
This post was edited on 2/28/15 at 12:43 pm
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