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re: What if God is a trickster demon?
Posted on 2/27/15 at 10:30 am to mizzoukills
Posted on 2/27/15 at 10:30 am to mizzoukills
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Actually, there are theologians who argue that Satan may actually be good but over time he was mistakenly painted in a bad light.
"I should control you forever, and if you don't listen to me I will punish you."
"You should have the choice."
I'll take number two.
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Posted on 2/27/15 at 10:34 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
That's a stunted view of the comparison.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 10:39 am to the808bass
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That's an unbelievably lucid view of the comparison.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 10:51 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
As usual, your inability to even consider another viewpoint makes it difficult to mistake your thought for objective criticism of faith.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 11:59 am to Old Sarge
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This thread is terrible and brings down the quality of the. Rant
Which is quite the accomplishment, actually.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:14 pm to sleepy gnostic
In this scenario, is there a different all powerful God we don't know about? Or is God still the most powerful cat in the room, but he's just a dick? If it's the latter, wouldn't you say we should still stick to what he wants since he's the alpha?
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:20 pm to OBReb6
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wouldn't you say we should still stick to what he wants since he's the alpha?
frick that shite. Always question.
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:38 pm to Person of interest
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frick that shite. Always question.
Unless it's a cop with a gun trained on you. Then ya better be meek as a meerkat.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:40 pm to OBReb6
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In this scenario, is there a different all powerful God we don't know about? Or is God still the most powerful cat in the room, but he's just a dick? If it's the latter, wouldn't you say we should still stick to what he wants since he's the alpha?
The god of Abraham is seen as a lower level being that is ego driven, needs to trick people into worship. It's actually very opposite of alpha.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:50 pm to sleepy gnostic
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The god of Abraham is seen as a lower level being that is ego driven, needs to trick people into worship. It's actually very opposite of alpha.
Can you give an example of a god who does not "trick" people into worship using the same comparison as YHVH?
The cultures surrounding Israel and the Roman mystery religions in the time of Christ would not have viewed the god of Abraham as a trickster god. So I'm curious what your comparison is.
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:58 pm to the808bass
Book of Job.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:59 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Unless it's a cop with a gun trained on you. Then ya better be meek as a meerkat.
I have learned this the hard way.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:05 pm to Person of interest
Thankfully I never have.
I'd ship my pants.
I'd ship my pants.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:05 pm to Person of interest
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Book of Job.
So your preferred god there is the one that brought the suffering on Job.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:06 pm to the808bass
or this.
1 Kings 22:20-23New International Version (NIV)
20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
1 Kings 22:20-23New International Version (NIV)
20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:13 pm to Person of interest
Which is a bit different as he is not deceiving his own believers as sleepy's example claimed.
And in context, it is a story of the provision of God for a much smaller army and its victory over a larger army.
And in context, it is a story of the provision of God for a much smaller army and its victory over a larger army.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:22 pm to the808bass
This will fit it better,
Ezekiel 14:9-11New International Version (NIV)
9 “‘And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the Lord have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt—the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”
Ezekiel 14:9-11New International Version (NIV)
9 “‘And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the Lord have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt—the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:52 pm to sleepy gnostic
Actually, Sleepy this is my academic field. I know a little. 
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:53 pm to sleepy gnostic
the gnostic mythos has essentially the same foundations of Greek, Roman, Norse, Egyptian and so forth mythologies, (you could include Christian/Hebrew if you like), all exist to explain what early man could not understand.
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Ever heard of Gnosticism before now?
Oh gee, maybe!
As an Agnostic(look it up) I recognize that your "trickster, dark forces" are a load of crap, which is what most religion boils down to.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 2:07 pm to Jagd Tiger
Sleepy, don't confuse the demiurgos or half-creator for God. Really, that's the first lesson of gnosticism. Confusing the two is an error of the sarkikos.
ETA: Damn board format won't let me use greek or hebrew. How the frick am I supposed to say what I mean if I have to fricking transliterate??!!
ETA: Damn board format won't let me use greek or hebrew. How the frick am I supposed to say what I mean if I have to fricking transliterate??!!
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 2:09 pm
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