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Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:48 pm
Did I just hear ESPN say we have hired John Hoke?
ETA: From "John" to "Jon."
ETA: From "John" to "Jon."
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 1:18 pm
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:55 pm to scrooster
It certainly appears imminent:
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Scott Hood ?@ScottHood63 4m4 minutes ago
Quasi-confirmation of Hoke hiring: The USC BOT has scheduled a meeting for 3 p.m. on Thur. 2/5 to consider "athletic employment agreement"
Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:02 pm to ConwayGamecock
Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:14 pm to scrooster
I read the article too. Some serious shake up is about to go down I guess. Wonder where Whammy fits in...
Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:23 pm to scrooster
Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:33 pm to atlgamecockman
How good have Hoke's defenses been in the past? I saw some stats from 99-02, but what about his pro defenses, where'd they rank?
Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:05 pm to CockInYourEar
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Gator fans considered Hoke to be the worst Gator defensive coordinator at any level from Pop Warner and up. Of course, he was not NEARLY as bad as they made him out to be. When he took over in 1999, he inherited a defense that lost 8 starters, to include two 1st rounders and 2 second rounders, along with a 3d rounder. It took two years for him to get the defense back in shape, and when he did, he had a 9th ranked defense in 2001.
Of course, every game Florida lost was Hoke's fault, as no fan would ever blame Spurrier, so he should feel right at home...
I just thought this was interesting.
https://collegefootball.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2150&tid=210071254&mid=210071254&sid=1144&style=2
Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:21 pm to scrooster
A guy that hasn't coordinated a defense since 2002 is who Spurrier hires to run the defense? 
I'd rather see Ward stay DC and hire a new linebacker and defensive line coach.
I'd rather see Ward stay DC and hire a new linebacker and defensive line coach.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:14 pm to CockInYourEar
John Hoke By The Numbers
You are what your record says you are and you are good or bad at what the statistics say you're good or bad at. Like I did for a few coaches we've looked at or hired in the past, I put together a spreadsheet of their rankings for various statistics.
So I did the spreadsheet for Hoke. Below is the data from 1999-2014
Keep in mind though, he wasn't a DC the whole time.
COLLEGE DC AVERAGES
Scoring Defense 20th
Total Defense 27th
Passing Defense 28th
Rushing Defense 20th
Interceptions 19th
Turnover Gained 18th
Pass Efficiency Defense 17th
NFL DB COACH AVERAGES
Scoring Defense 21st
Total Defense 21st
Passing Defense 21st
Rushing Defense 19th
Interceptions 17th
Passes Defended 20th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 21st
3rd Down Conv % Defense 18th
2014 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL) Stat Ranking
Scoring Defense 27.6 31st
Total Defense 377.1 30th
Passing Defense 264.4 30th
Rushing Defense 112.7 16th
Interceptions 14 14th
Passes Defended 67 26th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6 28th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 42% 20th
2013 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL) Stat Ranking
Scoring Defense 29.9 31st
Total Defense 394.6 30th
Passing Defense 233.1 18th
Rushing Defense 161.4 32nd
Interceptions 19 8th
Passes Defended 81 21st
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.7 24th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 42% 24th
2012 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL)
Scoring Defense 17.3 3rd
Total Defense 315.6 5th
Passing Defense 213.9 8th
Rushing Defense 101.7 8th
Interceptions 24 1st
Passes Defended 115 2nd
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.3 4th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 36% 6th
2011 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL)
Scoring Defense 21.4 14th
Total Defense 350.4 16th
Passing Defense 254% 27th
Rushing Defense 96.4 5th
Interceptions 20 6th
Passes Defended 85 15th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.8 7th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 35% 9th
2010 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL)
Scoring Defense 17.9 4th
Total Defense 314.3 9h
Passing Defense 224.2 19th
Rushing Defense 90.1 2nd
Interceptions 21 5th
Passes Defended 94 13th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.6 8th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 35% 6th
2009 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL)
Scoring Defense 23.4 22nd
Total Defense 337.8 16th
Passing Defense 211.4 13th
Rushing Defense 126.4 23rd
Interceptions 13 22nd
Passes Defended 66 31st
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.9 16th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 41% 27th
2008 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 24.6 27th
Total Defense 336.6 22nd
Passing Defense 213.9 17th
Rushing Defense 122.6 23rd
Interceptions 12 21st
Passes Defended 71 24th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.6 27th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 39 16th
2007 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 24 22nd
Total Defense 344.2 24th
Passing Defense 230.1 25th
Rushing Defense 114.1 19th
Interceptions 11 30th
Passes Defended 86 17th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.1 23rd
3rd Down Conv % Defense 42% 23rd
2006 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 22.9 26th
Total Defense 337.5 24th
Passing Defense 215.2 22nd
Rushing Defense 122.2 20th
Interceptions 11 28th
Passes Defended 177 29th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.2 25th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 44% 30th
2005 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 26.9 32nd
Total Defense 364 31st
Passing Defense 220.1 24th
Rushing Defense 143.9 32nd
Interceptions 7 31st
Passes Defended 165 32nd
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.9 31st
3rd Down Conv % Defense 38% 17th
2004 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 21.2 17th
Total Defense 341.1 23rd
Passing Defense 224.9 24th
Rushing Defense 115.2 13th
Interceptions 22 5th
Passes Defended 186 28th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.1 20th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 43% 28th
2003 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 23.8 27th
Total Defense 380.1 31st
Passing Defense 232 31st
Rushing Defense 148.1 31st
Interceptions 14 20th
Passes Defended 205 19th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.6 31st
3rd Down Conv % Defense 40% 23rd
2002 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 22.2 20th
Total Defense 326.9 16th
Passing Defense 196.3 10th
Rushing Defense 130.6 28th
Interceptions 10 26th
Passes Defended 231 8th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.6 14th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 36% 7th
2001 - DC - UF (College)
Scoring Defense 14.09 5th
Total Defense 290.18 9th
Passing Defense 190.89 28th
Rushing Defense 100.09 12th
Interceptions 12 54th
Turnover Gained 22 54th
Pass Efficiency Defense 101.7 13th
2000 - DC - UF (College)
Scoring Defense 19.67 29th
Total Defense 346 42nd
Passing Defense 212.92 57th
Rushing Defense 133.08 39th
Interceptions 24 2nd
Turnover Gained 40 1st
Pass Efficiency Defense 98.56 12th
1999 - DC - UF (College)
Scoring Defense 19.6 26th
Total Defense 332.2 30th
Passing Defense
Rushing Defense 91.6 9th
Interceptions 13
Turnover Gained 26
Pass Efficiency Defense 110.2 27th
Links I used to get data:
https://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2014&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go
https://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?doWhat=archive&sportCode=MFB
* In 2006 the NFL changed how the calculated Passes Defended
** Incomplete data from 1999 season on rankings, but it's what I found using the same link for the others.
You are what your record says you are and you are good or bad at what the statistics say you're good or bad at. Like I did for a few coaches we've looked at or hired in the past, I put together a spreadsheet of their rankings for various statistics.
So I did the spreadsheet for Hoke. Below is the data from 1999-2014
Keep in mind though, he wasn't a DC the whole time.
quote:
Team(s) as a coach/administrator
1982 Dayton (DB)
1983 North Carolina State (DB)
1983–1986 Bowling Green (DB)
1987–1988 San Diego State (DB)
1989–1993 Kent State (DC/DB)
1994–1998 Missouri (DB)
1999–2001 Florida (DC/DB)
2002–2008 Houston Texans (DB)
2009–2014 Chicago Bears (DB)
COLLEGE DC AVERAGES
Scoring Defense 20th
Total Defense 27th
Passing Defense 28th
Rushing Defense 20th
Interceptions 19th
Turnover Gained 18th
Pass Efficiency Defense 17th
NFL DB COACH AVERAGES
Scoring Defense 21st
Total Defense 21st
Passing Defense 21st
Rushing Defense 19th
Interceptions 17th
Passes Defended 20th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 21st
3rd Down Conv % Defense 18th
2014 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL) Stat Ranking
Scoring Defense 27.6 31st
Total Defense 377.1 30th
Passing Defense 264.4 30th
Rushing Defense 112.7 16th
Interceptions 14 14th
Passes Defended 67 26th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6 28th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 42% 20th
2013 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL) Stat Ranking
Scoring Defense 29.9 31st
Total Defense 394.6 30th
Passing Defense 233.1 18th
Rushing Defense 161.4 32nd
Interceptions 19 8th
Passes Defended 81 21st
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.7 24th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 42% 24th
2012 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL)
Scoring Defense 17.3 3rd
Total Defense 315.6 5th
Passing Defense 213.9 8th
Rushing Defense 101.7 8th
Interceptions 24 1st
Passes Defended 115 2nd
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.3 4th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 36% 6th
2011 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL)
Scoring Defense 21.4 14th
Total Defense 350.4 16th
Passing Defense 254% 27th
Rushing Defense 96.4 5th
Interceptions 20 6th
Passes Defended 85 15th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.8 7th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 35% 9th
2010 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL)
Scoring Defense 17.9 4th
Total Defense 314.3 9h
Passing Defense 224.2 19th
Rushing Defense 90.1 2nd
Interceptions 21 5th
Passes Defended 94 13th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.6 8th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 35% 6th
2009 - DB Coach - Bears (NFL)
Scoring Defense 23.4 22nd
Total Defense 337.8 16th
Passing Defense 211.4 13th
Rushing Defense 126.4 23rd
Interceptions 13 22nd
Passes Defended 66 31st
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.9 16th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 41% 27th
2008 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 24.6 27th
Total Defense 336.6 22nd
Passing Defense 213.9 17th
Rushing Defense 122.6 23rd
Interceptions 12 21st
Passes Defended 71 24th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.6 27th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 39 16th
2007 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 24 22nd
Total Defense 344.2 24th
Passing Defense 230.1 25th
Rushing Defense 114.1 19th
Interceptions 11 30th
Passes Defended 86 17th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.1 23rd
3rd Down Conv % Defense 42% 23rd
2006 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 22.9 26th
Total Defense 337.5 24th
Passing Defense 215.2 22nd
Rushing Defense 122.2 20th
Interceptions 11 28th
Passes Defended 177 29th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.2 25th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 44% 30th
2005 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 26.9 32nd
Total Defense 364 31st
Passing Defense 220.1 24th
Rushing Defense 143.9 32nd
Interceptions 7 31st
Passes Defended 165 32nd
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.9 31st
3rd Down Conv % Defense 38% 17th
2004 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 21.2 17th
Total Defense 341.1 23rd
Passing Defense 224.9 24th
Rushing Defense 115.2 13th
Interceptions 22 5th
Passes Defended 186 28th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.1 20th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 43% 28th
2003 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 23.8 27th
Total Defense 380.1 31st
Passing Defense 232 31st
Rushing Defense 148.1 31st
Interceptions 14 20th
Passes Defended 205 19th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 7.6 31st
3rd Down Conv % Defense 40% 23rd
2002 - DB Coach - Texans (NFL)
Scoring Defense 22.2 20th
Total Defense 326.9 16th
Passing Defense 196.3 10th
Rushing Defense 130.6 28th
Interceptions 10 26th
Passes Defended 231 8th
Avg Passing Yards Per Comp 6.6 14th
3rd Down Conv % Defense 36% 7th
2001 - DC - UF (College)
Scoring Defense 14.09 5th
Total Defense 290.18 9th
Passing Defense 190.89 28th
Rushing Defense 100.09 12th
Interceptions 12 54th
Turnover Gained 22 54th
Pass Efficiency Defense 101.7 13th
2000 - DC - UF (College)
Scoring Defense 19.67 29th
Total Defense 346 42nd
Passing Defense 212.92 57th
Rushing Defense 133.08 39th
Interceptions 24 2nd
Turnover Gained 40 1st
Pass Efficiency Defense 98.56 12th
1999 - DC - UF (College)
Scoring Defense 19.6 26th
Total Defense 332.2 30th
Passing Defense
Rushing Defense 91.6 9th
Interceptions 13
Turnover Gained 26
Pass Efficiency Defense 110.2 27th
Links I used to get data:
https://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2014&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go
https://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?doWhat=archive&sportCode=MFB
* In 2006 the NFL changed how the calculated Passes Defended
** Incomplete data from 1999 season on rankings, but it's what I found using the same link for the others.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:16 pm to CockInYourEar
So, what you're basically saying is, we're fawked?
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:19 pm to scrooster
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So, what you're basically saying is, we're fawked?
That's what I'm trying to figure out. However, it has to be taken into consideration that he wasn't the DC, and the NFL is a completely different ball game.
Although, I'm about to calculate the averages and we'll see what it looks like
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:20 pm to CockInYourEar
The Bears have been awful the past two seasons and were historically turrible last season.
This hire is fricking retarded
This hire is fricking retarded
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:23 pm to CockInYourEar
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Although, I'm about to calculate the averages and we'll see what it looks like
I'll save you some work and say they will look like shite.
If he is the DC it will be an awful hire. He hasn't been a DC in over a DECADE and has been a position coach for one of the worst defense in NFL history the past two seasons
This is what happens when you wait til after signing day and all the good choices have made their moves
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:28 pm to Cockopotamus
I just hope he's a whole lot better than his younger brother was at Michigan.
He's actually got a very strong resume in terms of who he has worked for. And he couldn't be that bad or he would not have had a job all these years.
He's actually got a very strong resume in terms of who he has worked for. And he couldn't be that bad or he would not have had a job all these years.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:43 pm to scrooster
I just did the averages.
Hoke was a Top 20-25 DC the years he was at Florida...under Spurrier.
Hoke was an Avg to Below Avg NFL DB Coach over 13 seasons on 2 different teams. He had some awesome years, and then several crappy years.
The Pro game is completely different than college though. Pro Coaches don't deal with recruiting, but they still have to scout and manage talent with players. Also, they can be vetoed on personnel decisions by Front Office staff and Owners and budgets. Again though, it's important to consider that he was just a DB Coach in the NFL, the defense weren't all to his credit, nor all his fault.
With all that said, and the data reviewed, I don't think Hoke is that much of an upgrade from Ward. Ward had 3 years in the Top 20 for Total Defense before his debacle that was this season. I also think that if Ward had better DE's and CB's this year, that this would've never happened. Although, he's responsible for recruiting the defense, and he didn't do great in '12, '13 or '14 to address that.
So is Hoke some stellar recruiter? You can't find the people he recruited to UF in Rivals or the other sites.
Hoke was a Top 20-25 DC the years he was at Florida...under Spurrier.
Hoke was an Avg to Below Avg NFL DB Coach over 13 seasons on 2 different teams. He had some awesome years, and then several crappy years.
The Pro game is completely different than college though. Pro Coaches don't deal with recruiting, but they still have to scout and manage talent with players. Also, they can be vetoed on personnel decisions by Front Office staff and Owners and budgets. Again though, it's important to consider that he was just a DB Coach in the NFL, the defense weren't all to his credit, nor all his fault.
With all that said, and the data reviewed, I don't think Hoke is that much of an upgrade from Ward. Ward had 3 years in the Top 20 for Total Defense before his debacle that was this season. I also think that if Ward had better DE's and CB's this year, that this would've never happened. Although, he's responsible for recruiting the defense, and he didn't do great in '12, '13 or '14 to address that.
So is Hoke some stellar recruiter? You can't find the people he recruited to UF in Rivals or the other sites.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 2/5/15 at 12:13 am to CockInYourEar
I don't think SOS brought him in for no reason. He has wanted him here since day one. He must have made a big enough impression on him from his last three years at Florida to want him here still 11 years later.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 12:27 am to TiptonInSC
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I don't think SOS brought him in for no reason. He has wanted him here since day one. He must have made a big enough impression on him from his last three years at Florida to want him here still 11 years later.
That's a fair point. I learned something new a moment ago. They didn't track recruiters as coaches like they do now on 247 and Rivals, when Hoke was at uf.
However, uf's '03-'05 defense were pretty good, especially '05 and those would've been Hoke's recruits.
03 LINK
04 LINK
05 LINK
Posted on 2/5/15 at 12:28 am to CockInYourEar
I also found out that it's Jon Hoke and not John Hoke. 
Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:37 am to CockInYourEar
CIYE, thanks for all of the homework you do with everything. 
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:30 am to TiptonInSC
UPDATE
Presser Today at 4 p.m.
(seriously, not just saying that.)
https://www.gamecocksonline.com/collegesportslive/?media=485476
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