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re: Vandy rape case: Juror on trial failed to disclose rape from 20 years ago
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:56 am to Killean
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:56 am to Killean
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he first guy made the argument that all of the problems that black people face is because of other black people. That's a retarded argument
Yes it is a retarded argument. Black people + bleeding heart libs are really to blame. Black leaders (sharpton, jackson, et al) pray on blacks to keep the victim mentality going. Black parents beat into their kids that they'll never amount to anything because they don't want their kids to be like "whitey" and better themselves. It breeds an us vs them mentality along with the victim or "loser" mindset.
Libs then enhance this in exchange for votes by helping them blame "republicans" which is a code word for whites.
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Quit trying to pass the buck and actually accept some responsibility for some of the world's problems
What did I do to black people or even my ancestors to "accept" responsibility? My ancestors came here after WWI.
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Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:58 am to Killean
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My point is that people are accountable for their own actions regardless of race or upbringing. Also, you don't lose your own responsibility for a problem just because someone else contributes to it.
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Quit trying to pass the buck and actually accept some responsibility for some of the world's problems and try to fix it rather than blaming everybody else for things being bad.
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to white people..
by white people..
by white people..
by white people..
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:10 am to KajunGator
Well, us white folks aren't exactly blameless :)
Native American genocide.. our bad... although white should read European there.
Japanese internment camps, yep, our bad again.
Treatment of women? Full suffrage in the US didn't happen until 1920.. and the single biggest contributor to divorces was granting women the right to own property in their own name :)
The United States has existed since 1776 with the Constitution in place since 1787.
It's really easy to forget that women have had universal suffrage for less than 100 years and that jim crow laws have been gone for less than 50 years.
Native American genocide.. our bad... although white should read European there.
Japanese internment camps, yep, our bad again.
Treatment of women? Full suffrage in the US didn't happen until 1920.. and the single biggest contributor to divorces was granting women the right to own property in their own name :)
The United States has existed since 1776 with the Constitution in place since 1787.
It's really easy to forget that women have had universal suffrage for less than 100 years and that jim crow laws have been gone for less than 50 years.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:11 am to Wishnitwas1998
If you read the article, Clay says that he feels sorry for the kids and their families. Only really mentions the victim once. Seemed way more concerned with these "kids" ruining their careers than what they did and what that victim went through.
Dude is an idiot
Dude is an idiot
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:18 am to Prof
I get where you're coming from with the boyfriend, but your posts seem to insinuate that he had some sort of mind control over the other players involved. Was he the 'leader' in all of this? Yes. Do I tihnk that he is this real life version of Bateman (American Psycho reference)? No. I do not believe it took some sort of magic spell to convince the other players to gang rape that girl. I recall 2 separate incidents from HS where this happened (in TN). One was with Trousdale Co HS when a 14 year old girl was gang raped by 10-12 guys after they drugged her with a bunch of opiates. It didn't take some manipulative leader to convince the others to do it. All it took was enough alcohol in their system to think it was a good idea.
All I'm saying is that this mentality of "300 years of slavery", alcohol, and not being the only one in the room is what really led to this. It didn't take being 'sold'.
All I'm saying is that this mentality of "300 years of slavery", alcohol, and not being the only one in the room is what really led to this. It didn't take being 'sold'.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:20 am to piggilicious
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the way this thread turned is probably a prime example of why the lawyers didn't want to include this in the trial.
Bingo.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:26 am to Killean
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I don't think being white or black has a bearing on his actions
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"That's for 300 years of slavery, bitch"
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The real question is can you hold him accountable for his actions without focusing on the fact that he's a minority.
of course not
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"That's for 300 years of slavery, bitch"
he is responsible for making people focus on the fact that he's a minority because of what he said
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:27 am to I-59 Tiger
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What I have seen is you dance around whether you can actually say a minority can be guilty of a crime and should be accountable for their actions.
Mother of all strawmen.
No one in this thread has said Batey didn't deserve to be convicted of exactly what the jury convicted him of.
Not one single person.
The comments in this thread alone offer up more than enough evidence of why the prosecution went with the ample evidence they had and left the inflammatory material that Clay Travis leaked yesterday completely out of the case they presented to the jury.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:31 am to BrerTiger
quote:Clay Travis is happy, happy man today.
The comments in this thread alone offer up more than enough evidence of why the prosecution went with the ample evidence they had and left the inflammatory material that Clay Travis leaked yesterday completely out of the case they presented to the jury.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:32 am to Killean
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Well, us white folks aren't exactly blameless :)
Are you or are not blaming? Is that not what you said you haven't done?
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Native American genocide.. our bad... although white should read European there.
Japanese internment camps, yep, our bad again.
I'll concede these...
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It's really easy to forget that women have had universal suffrage for less than 100 years
But this, come on man. You act as though we (the US/new world) were the first to treat their women this way. There hasn't been a prevalent matrilineal society since most of the ancient Gaelic tribes were wiped out.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:34 am to KajunGator
I was mostly refuting the implication that only muslims treat women badly.
It's kinda universal.
It's kinda universal.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:36 am to Killean
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I was mostly refuting the implication that only muslims treat women badly.
But no implicated that muslims were the only ones...in fact, it's been said multiple times that it's happened a very long time through many different cultures.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:41 am to Duke
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I think it's a bit unreasonable to expect and want hate crime prosecution. People can have a different perspective and I wouldn't think they're idiots. Unless there are details I'm not aware of, there's not much to show he raped her because she was white and wanted to get back at whitey. Why try and build that case when you have him dead to rights on rape and will put him away for a long time?
Well put.
I consider pretty much all violent crime to be hateful. It sure as shite isn't an act of love.
Hate crime legislation does nothing to stop hate crimes. It just makes certain liberals feel better like they did something and gives them an excuse to claim opponents of such legislation somehow support hate crimes because they refuse to support dumb hate crime laws.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:33 pm to lsusteltz16
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Black parents beat into their kids that they'll never amount to anything because they don't want their kids to be like "whitey" and better themselves.
You actually believe this?
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:10 pm to BrerTiger
This thread has been hijacked in all sorts of ways I didn't think were possible
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:19 pm to REG861
You have underestimated the rant....don't make that mistake again.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:20 pm to BrerTiger
set aside the hate crime aspect of this for a moment... if true this seems like evidence of premeditation. a defense attorney seems like he would be left arguing it was an off the cuff remark... but I think that kind of thing was in his head somewhere before it came out
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:26 pm to molsusports
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if true this seems like evidence of premeditation.
Nah. this was something stupid that popped into his head and he foolishly uttered in the throes of committing a crime.
Can't say that that alone proves it was premeditated.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:29 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I'm obviously inclined to think the opposite. I'm not saying he kept a journal and wrote out fantasies about how he wanted to hurt a white woman but that emotional desire was in his head before it came out of his mouth... assuming he said it at least (this whole thread assumes he said the remark in question)
ETA: never said prove - but if you have a heavily white jury that probably factors into how they react to him as a defendant. juries tend to identify with people personally and if they think he hates white people and they are white that's going to mean bad news when it comes to subjective determinations.
ETA: never said prove - but if you have a heavily white jury that probably factors into how they react to him as a defendant. juries tend to identify with people personally and if they think he hates white people and they are white that's going to mean bad news when it comes to subjective determinations.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:35 pm to molsusports
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that emotional desire was in his head before it came out of his mouth... assuming he said it at least (this whole thread assumes he said the remark in question)
Granted. And assuming he did say that, it was incredibly stupid (the whole thing was tragic).
But it'd be a flimsy phrase upon which to build a case for premeditation of the entire crime. Maybe he did plan the whole thing based on that sentiment. Or maybe he was spouting off something stupid on top of his stupid crime. Difficult to say based just on that, is all I'm saying.
Either way, I'm glad this guy and his compatriots are getting their just desserts. More upset about the actual rape than anything ancillary that was said during the act.
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