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Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:07 pm to ocelot4ark
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And this is the difference, evidently, in how my Texas arse was raised.
All hat and no cattle, it all makes sense now...
Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:14 pm to Hawgeye
I honestly think I could post this in every thread sometimes...
WOW, do you folks ever think of each other than the pissy attitudes of how you treat one another.
Why do our fans seem to take the personal attack route so often?
I have refrained from giving my opinion on MA at times for fear of being metaphorically castrated by the apologists and their statistical rhetoric. And in a thread praising Portis, this has turned into a crap show of all things.
In year 4 our defense is not on par to being 40 minutes of anything but.."Thank God we didn't lose to a crappy team at home"
In year 4 our recruiting is not on par with those of us who watched and loved the past successes of Eddie and Nolan.
In year 4 the assistants still need a few changes to make the differences in recruiting and coaching.
In year 4 we are improved some from the past 3 years, BUT... what happens in year 5? Nobody can say for sure, but most likely with Portis out of the equation, you consider the likelihood of what will transpire.
All of the above can be seen as negative FIRST.
then there is this.
in Year 4 our APR is unbelievably great, Finally... especially following the Heath / Red Headed Step Child years.
In Year 4 we are finally ... most likely at least a tourney team
In year 4 we are seeing respect in the SEC and in the national media not seen in years.
In year 4 we are better....
So, with the above am I a good fan, or bad fan? And why is it so dang awful to discuss all of the above rather than tote the line of some people who seem to whine constantly.
Whiners either that Mike isn't good enough OR
Whiners that think Mike is awesome... Whining is whining period if that is the mantra taken.
GEESH!
Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:27 pm to Stonehog
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How fricking retarded must you be?
Which had nothing to do with you opinions on MA's coaching ability.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:30 pm to Razorback Reverend
If you want a discussion, great, expound on:
What was this "crappy team"?
How is this recruiting class not on par? Because it has one player who is one of the top guards in the country?
Since Nolan, two McDonald's AAs have signed with Arkansas, one was Famutini, the other is on this team.
What changes, exactly?
As far as recruiting, in the four years they have signed one "bust", Dee Wagner. That is an incredible hit rate of contributors, especially when compared to the previous two HCs and even Nolan's latter years from 99-2002.
But? What about saving the doom and gloom until improvement stops?
Yes, Portis would be a big loss for the team, however, a player can be inserted into the rotation who can do some needed things better than ports (defense for example), Kingsley isn't the answer here right now, but if anything people should notice how replacing offensive production is easy compared to defensive efficiency and intangibles by the forward we have been trying to replace this year.
Mike's best teams have not had NBA prospects at the forward position, many because his system is a guard oriented system and he will have a damn good roster of guards next season.
There is only a few who "whine", mainly after losses, with wins they have nothing to contribute or talk about.
Several threads on other forums will be on the first page after a win(s) until the next loss when you will have 5 pages of new topics, there are far too many who have nothing to say or contribute until after a loss when they feel their opinion in what all is wrong needs to be heard, even if its the same drivel the spew after every loss.
What many of the above need to realize is Mike isn't going to change his philosophy and coaching style or the playing style of his teams, he isn't going to coach a style of play like your high school basketball coached. He isn't going to run a bastardized form of the Princeton offense like you see in the NBA. He isn't going to play the "keep it close" limited possession style that has ruined college basketball.
People on hog boards seem to be fine and grasp the concept that there is many different theories and styles of play to win football games, while many of these same people think there is only one way to win a basketball game. They can see what each style and strategies in football have different areas of the game each focus on for success but can't see there are statistical categories in the game that don't mean shite to MA, but they think are super important, or that stats they deem meaningless are of great importance to MA and his teams...
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In year 4 our defense is not on par to being 40 minutes of anything but.."Thank God we didn't lose to a crappy team at home"
What was this "crappy team"?
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In year 4 our recruiting is not on par with those of us who watched and loved the past successes of Eddie and Nolan.
How is this recruiting class not on par? Because it has one player who is one of the top guards in the country?
Since Nolan, two McDonald's AAs have signed with Arkansas, one was Famutini, the other is on this team.
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In year 4 the assistants still need a few changes to make the differences in recruiting and coaching.
What changes, exactly?
As far as recruiting, in the four years they have signed one "bust", Dee Wagner. That is an incredible hit rate of contributors, especially when compared to the previous two HCs and even Nolan's latter years from 99-2002.
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In year 4 we are improved some from the past 3 years, BUT... what happens in year 5? Nobody can say for sure, but most likely with Portis out of the equation, you consider the likelihood of what will transpire.
But? What about saving the doom and gloom until improvement stops?
Yes, Portis would be a big loss for the team, however, a player can be inserted into the rotation who can do some needed things better than ports (defense for example), Kingsley isn't the answer here right now, but if anything people should notice how replacing offensive production is easy compared to defensive efficiency and intangibles by the forward we have been trying to replace this year.
Mike's best teams have not had NBA prospects at the forward position, many because his system is a guard oriented system and he will have a damn good roster of guards next season.
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So, with the above am I a good fan, or bad fan? And why is it so dang awful to discuss all of the above rather than tote the line of some people who seem to whine constantly.
Whiners either that Mike isn't good enough OR
Whiners that think Mike is awesome... Whining is whining period if that is the mantra taken.
There is only a few who "whine", mainly after losses, with wins they have nothing to contribute or talk about.
Several threads on other forums will be on the first page after a win(s) until the next loss when you will have 5 pages of new topics, there are far too many who have nothing to say or contribute until after a loss when they feel their opinion in what all is wrong needs to be heard, even if its the same drivel the spew after every loss.
What many of the above need to realize is Mike isn't going to change his philosophy and coaching style or the playing style of his teams, he isn't going to coach a style of play like your high school basketball coached. He isn't going to run a bastardized form of the Princeton offense like you see in the NBA. He isn't going to play the "keep it close" limited possession style that has ruined college basketball.
People on hog boards seem to be fine and grasp the concept that there is many different theories and styles of play to win football games, while many of these same people think there is only one way to win a basketball game. They can see what each style and strategies in football have different areas of the game each focus on for success but can't see there are statistical categories in the game that don't mean shite to MA, but they think are super important, or that stats they deem meaningless are of great importance to MA and his teams...
Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:31 pm to Razorback Reverend
Preach on, brotha.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:40 pm to ocelot4ark
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I'm done with this. Don't like me? Don't like my opinions? Go ahead and call me names. It gives a helluva lot more of an indication as to the type of person that YOU are than I.
The weirdest thing about this rant is that you're in this thread calling people retarded.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:42 pm to ocelot4ark
Dale, Bravo... you did all of that without a single cut down, or name called..
Thanks,
As for the "crappy team" to me... all of them that aren't Kentucky or Florida.
As for recruiting, it is amazing what Alabama was able to do last night at BWA with a very young, and with 5 fouled out of the game. That depth I was jealous of. And that effort away from home should win them a bunch of games imho. No stats to back it up, just opinion, which I think I am still allowed to the chagrin of some.
As for next year... Whitt will be an awesome presence I think, in time.. We need another big, and hopefully beard will continue amazing improvement. Kingsly needs to continue to improve as well. I see a major step back next season, do you?
and I cant remember the rest because I am old and tired.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:53 pm to Stonehog
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The weirdest thing about this rant is that you're in this thread calling people retarded.
Not based on their opinions, but rather their childish behavior. Can you not recognize a difference?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:01 pm to Razorback Reverend
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As for the "crappy team" to me... all of them that aren't Kentucky or Florida.
Bama is a better team than Florida this year. Bama still has a shot at the NCAAs, Florida is looking more like a NIT hopeful after their non-con showing.
They took Wichita St. to the wire on their home court earlier this season just like they did us last night.
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As for recruiting, it is amazing what Alabama was able to do last night at BWA with a very young, and with 5 fouled out of the game. That depth I was jealous of. And that effort away from home should win them a bunch of games imho. No stats to back it up, just opinion, which I think I am still allowed to the chagrin of some.
Bama lost the majority of those guys in the OT period, they didn't play extended minutes without them.
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As for next year... Whitt will be an awesome presence I think, in time.. We need another big, and hopefully beard will continue amazing improvement. Kingsly needs to continue to improve as well. I see a major step back next season, do you?
No.
Babb, Beard, Whitt, Qualls, Durahm, Hannahs, Bell, and Watkins is why.
That is a very, very good roster of guards, should easily be the best roster of guards we have had in a long, long, time. MAs philosophy is guard oriented, this isn't a bad thing as teams who have success in the tourney have very good guard play.
Down low you will have Kingsely who has shown an improvement on the offensive end, but he is still out of position or "gets lost" on the defensive end at times like you would expect with a guy who is still learning to play.
Williams will be back, with more experience and he's been pretty solid for the team this year.
Miles should be over his knee injury, but he and Thompson will need to contribute next season.
The staff has been looking at some JUCO Forwards and well as HS forwards. They have to replace Harris regardless, so I would expect them to go the JUCO route for this, if Portis comes back for another year (depends on where he's projected in the draft, he seems to climb to the lottery in some then fall back to the late first in others, he could use another year of development to guarantee a lottery pick) they might go the HS route instead for a Forward, possible two JUCOs if he leaves.
The forward spots are of value, but not base of MA teams, its all about the guards. It isn't a physical style predicated on size and muscle via the post players or like Bert's football teams built around the big guys, its more like all the flashy teams centered around the skill players using schemes to put them in mismatches for success in football if you like analogies.
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and I cant remember the rest because I am old and tired.
I've noticed that most people's complaints are based on eye tests and not based by any tangible evidence on these boards. "our offense sucks" for example, tangible data shows Arkansas to have one of the highest scoring offenses while being top 10 in effeciency according to Kenpom.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:02 pm to ocelot4ark
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Not based on their opinions, but rather their childish behavior. Can you not recognize a difference?
So that's the adult way to call someone a retard?
You're such a wise old sage.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:23 pm to Stonehog
lol at this thread
peace out
peace out
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:41 pm to Stonehog
What's the adult way to call someone out unprovoked and question their motives as a fan?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:48 pm to ocelot4ark
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What's the adult way to call someone out unprovoked and question their motives as a fan?
What's the adult way to avoid debate over baseless claims filled with biased opinion?
Accuse those of being kin or having a relationship with the coach?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:04 pm to DaleDenton
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What's the adult way to avoid debate over baseless claims filled with biased opinion?
Accuse those of being kin or having a relationship with the coach?
You DO realize that every time I've done such things has been in response to ad hominems, right? You can't even pretend that you guys argue with my points. I say something and you shite on it. You don't try to say WHY I'm wrong, I'm just wrong because I'm racist or out to get Mike.
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:14 pm to Razorback Reverend
That was an exciting end to a game we should have won in regulation.Glad Portis made the shot and wish we could have given him more opportunities.
Good win.WPS
Good win.WPS
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:16 pm to ocelot4ark
Whatever, that is your go to move when your NBA transposition argument, set play argument, and countless other arguments fall apart when challenged to back the argument with something other than opinion or what the mavericks do or don't do.
You are completely incapable of discussing the topic in the context of which is exists, anyone who doesn't see the world through your viewpoint is seen as "homerism".
Your defense mechanisms say all there is to say about your opinions, baseless and you yourself are unable to provide any tangible data or evidence to back the claims outside of what they do in the NBA which doesn't matter about what they do in college. No one has to say you are wrong, everyone knows, you yourself know or you would show who right you are.
Wanna make bullshite claims? Fine, but the burden of proof falls on you to show they are true.
You are completely incapable of discussing the topic in the context of which is exists, anyone who doesn't see the world through your viewpoint is seen as "homerism".
Your defense mechanisms say all there is to say about your opinions, baseless and you yourself are unable to provide any tangible data or evidence to back the claims outside of what they do in the NBA which doesn't matter about what they do in college. No one has to say you are wrong, everyone knows, you yourself know or you would show who right you are.
Wanna make bullshite claims? Fine, but the burden of proof falls on you to show they are true.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:37 pm to DaleDenton
It's not my JOB to regurgitate the same arguments over and over again in every thread about basketball. This season I've discussed my issues in numerous threads. No one, not you or stone, bothered to argue with any of my basketball arguments this season. I don't even remember the details of our much more heated debates from last season. But I know that I never made an argument that couldn't be correlated to NCAAB.
and I hate to be the one that breaks this to you, again, but there are PLENTY of areas that have 100% correlation between NBA and college basketball. If you can't figure out which ones, that's on you.
Your problem has been, and continues to be, a complete lack of reading comprehension. I put my argument out in a certain way, you misrepresent my point, I give you a real life example, you continue to misrepresent my point, I give you another example, rinse, repeat.
I don't even bother responding to your posts about actual basketball anymore. Have you noticed that? Did you think I stopped because I started agreeing with everything (of course, I'd like to point out that I've given you credit numerous times for making good points)? No. I just don't have the energy to put so much effort into my retorts, going literally line by line, only to receive a sparky response to ONE sentence in a chapter's worth of text. The fact that you ignore so much of the elements that I bring up makes me think that you must agree with some of the points I make, but your insecurities preclude you from making the same, miniscule concession. Wall of text? Let me find the tiniest thing to ridicule and use that as an umbrella to shite all over EVERYTHING.
and I hate to be the one that breaks this to you, again, but there are PLENTY of areas that have 100% correlation between NBA and college basketball. If you can't figure out which ones, that's on you.
Your problem has been, and continues to be, a complete lack of reading comprehension. I put my argument out in a certain way, you misrepresent my point, I give you a real life example, you continue to misrepresent my point, I give you another example, rinse, repeat.
I don't even bother responding to your posts about actual basketball anymore. Have you noticed that? Did you think I stopped because I started agreeing with everything (of course, I'd like to point out that I've given you credit numerous times for making good points)? No. I just don't have the energy to put so much effort into my retorts, going literally line by line, only to receive a sparky response to ONE sentence in a chapter's worth of text. The fact that you ignore so much of the elements that I bring up makes me think that you must agree with some of the points I make, but your insecurities preclude you from making the same, miniscule concession. Wall of text? Let me find the tiniest thing to ridicule and use that as an umbrella to shite all over EVERYTHING.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:39 pm to ocelot4ark
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Yep, circle jerks aren't interesting.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:38 pm to JohnnyBob
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