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Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:20 pm to hoginthesw
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:20 pm to hoginthesw
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Stone hog and the others were just little kids back in the early and mid 90s.
Whats funny about this is hes not the one being impatient and expecting to have things get back to the good ol years overnite.
Its like some just assume we should be a top program without having any growing pains, and the first proven coach we've hired in over a decade (who inherited a disaster) gets completely shite on for every stumble. The Mike bashing gets old, even though we`ve been trending up every year and no longer have players who embarrass the team, university, and state off the court.
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:24 pm to cigsmcgee
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we`ve been trending up every year and no longer have players who embarrass the team, university, and state off the court.
Well, that's a huge deal & half the battle.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:29 pm to cigsmcgee
You missed my point. 
I know he's not one of them.
Its the fans that have been fans longer and are sick of waiting and waiting for the big turn around.
Patience to the tune of this many years isn't everyone's virtue ya know.
I know he's not one of them.
Its the fans that have been fans longer and are sick of waiting and waiting for the big turn around.
Patience to the tune of this many years isn't everyone's virtue ya know.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:39 pm to hoginthesw
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hoginthesw
I agree with your points, as well. ... And I was talking about posters on tRant from all other fanbases, too. I'm not picking on Stonehog, exclusively. We jab each other & that's fine bc I'm just playing around - don't know about him so much.
Plus, he has a lot of good information & points in his comments. I just think to have productive discussions, even when we disagree, it's better to keep the flaming comments & bullshite out if it. As far as MA, I believe in giving every new coach a fair chance, and there isn't a hard & fast rule as to how long that chance lasts. It depends on the individual situations. I believe every coach should be given the chance to implement his complete goals & strategies before judging him harshly, and many times that means giving him time to rebuild his roster since he's usually left with nothing. Also giving him time to clean house of trouble makers or folks who won't get with the program if the case warrants. ... And yes, it is all about the tourney & how far we go in it. We need to start seeing results there very soon.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:40 pm to Arkla Missy
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Arkla Missy
Get out of here with your logic.
I go out of my way to watch, literally, every Arkansas football, basketball, and baseball game that I can. I can't be there in person, so the ability these days to be able to watch SO MUCH via ESPN, WatchESPN, SEC Network, etc means a lot to me. I love sports. I wish there were an Arkansas game + Mavericks game/Rangers game every day of the year.
The Mavericks have been my first love since around 1988. And HOLY shite you can't even begin to understand how often I bitch about the Mavericks. Don Nelson turning around the franchise around the time Nash/Finley/Dirk all started reaching different levels of stardom? "Yeah, we're definitely better than we were 3 years ago, but we're never going to win a championship with Don Nelson as our coach. Just look at the defense." And then we get Avery Johnson. "Holy crap the defense looks so much better. Guys are buying in. But wow, he sure doesn't have any idea how to run the offense. In fact, he continuously allows a 1st team All-NBA PF to go for long stretches of a game without getting a shot? He's hampering the potential of this team." And now we have, probably, the 2nd best coach in the NBA in Rick Carlisle. Guess what? I still find aspects that need to improve. Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson have made some shrewd trades, but I still find things to be apprehensive about.
Maybe it's because I'm in risk management. It requires that I consider both sides of the coin. So I typically look at things with that view. Going out of my way to point out the things that are GOOD might seem like the right way to be an internet fan, but to me it's just mental masturbation. If it's good, it doesn't need commenting on. I don't any problems with it. Now if it's bad, I'll comment. Not because I have a vendetta against EVERY SINGLE COACH OF ANY TEAM THAT I HAVE EVER ROOTED FOR. It's because I'm pointing out the things that represent gaps in our ability to win a championship.
What's truly juvenile is assuming that anyone that doesn't pump sunshine "doesn't support the team." Once again, and I've said it a billion times, it tries to force a gray issue into one of simply black or white. In their view, you can't be a fan if you have ANYTHING bad to say. Say something bad? Bad fan. You have to be a continuous sunshine pumper to qualify as a "good" fan. Like I said. Juvenile. It's perfectly reasonable to absolutely LOVE a team and still find things that are wrong with them. It's called being a realist. I just don't understand how people can expect us to ever improve the status of our programs by continuously ignoring the bad aspects. Is that grounded in reality for any front office personnel or athletic department people? I sincerely doubt it. I'm sure coaches, GM's, AD's, etc continuously try to find ways to improve their team/program. Do people imagine they accomplish this by ignoring the bad?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:41 pm to Stonehog
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Look at the board after the Ole Miss loss and compare that to the board last night after a win. It makes me sick honestly.
What do you want? Maybe you should put together a list of posting guidelines so you can dictate to the rest of us how we're supposed to respond to stimuli?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:46 pm to piggilicious
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i like ocelot- my only issue is sometimes when he gets pissed he seems to take it out on arkansas fans instead of just venting in general about things.
Where does this narrative originate? I don't recall EVER insulting someone just because they had an opinion from mine. In fact, that's the whole point. I end up having these long, drawn out arguments because people disagree with me and just throw out ad hominem attacks. I criticize a MA coaching decision and they call me a racist.
I might argue with Hog fans, but it's only when they attack me for stating an opinion that I actually SUPPORT. On rare occasions, I get into arguments where both sides are actually discussing the game. But I do NOT go out of my way to poke those bears. I don't gloat when we lose, though a loss is the most opportune time to point out deficiencies. People on this board have made it clear for years that they don't like negativity even if it's ground in reality. That's fine. But I defend my opinions and respond to ad hominems. If you want to find people that attack other Hog fans, look for the thought police faction among us.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:52 pm to cigsmcgee
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Whats funny about this is hes not the one being impatient and expecting to have things get back to the good ol years overnite.
Since when did winning/performance/success have a time variable attached to it that precluded anyone from drawing conclusions until a certain time period had elapsed? Is MA's system going to be any different in year 4 than in year 2? Year 8 than in year 4? The SYSTEM is his identity. If people are commenting on his system, offensive or defensive, it's NOT expecting things to get back to the good ole years overnight. Once again, trying to put a gray issue into a black or white box.
Players change. Maturity changes. But the system is a objective indicator as to whether or not we have/will have the approach necessary to win games in 2015.
If MA's system has holes in it, I'm not going to ignore them. That's not what winning programs or their fans do. That's not what a business does. That's not what a successful marriage does. You have to acknowledge problems to fix them. Putting your head in the sand and pretending the problems don't exist doesn't fix anything. Pretending that time will be the ultimate remedy to any of those problems is BEYOND simplistic.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:59 pm to ocelot4ark
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Going out of my way to point out the things that are GOOD might seem like the right way to be an internet fan, but to me it's just mental masturbation. If it's good, it doesn't need commenting on. I don't any problems with it. Now if it's bad, I'll comment. Not because I have a vendetta against EVERY SINGLE COACH OF ANY TEAM THAT I HAVE EVER ROOTED FOR. It's because I'm pointing out the things that represent gaps in our ability to win a championship.
I understand this completely because I do the same thing. I don't gush a lot, & I'm more verbal about the negative things or things that go wrong, particularly on the internet, mainly bc I see it as a problem that needs to be addressed; I'm not bashing. When we make a good play, I'll yell & "hell yeah" or something irl, & am mostly relieved.
I'll say "good job" after a win, & maybe comment on someone who did an outstanding job, or made an awesome play, but like I said, I'm not as verbal after a win or when we do well because people did what they were supposed to do. There isn't a problem to solve after a good game. quote:
What's truly juvenile is assuming that anyone that doesn't pump sunshine "doesn't support the team." Once again, and I've said it a billion times, it tries to force a gray issue into one of simply black or white. In their view, you can't be a fan if you have ANYTHING bad to say. Say something bad? Bad fan. You have to be a continuous sunshine pumper to qualify as a "good" fan. Like I said. Juvenile. It's perfectly reasonable to absolutely LOVE a team and still find things that are wrong with them. It's called being a realist. I just don't understand how people can expect us to ever improve the status of our programs by continuously ignoring the bad aspects. Is that grounded in reality for any front office personnel or athletic department people? I sincerely doubt it. I'm sure coaches, GM's, AD's, etc continuously try to find ways to improve their team/program. Do people imagine they accomplish this by ignoring the bad?
Agree 100% ... You can still be a loyal & true fan & love your team eternally, but have criticisms of your team/coaches. If you didn't care about the team, you wouldn't care about the problems. Not addressing the issues & blindly agreeing with everything, even if it's wrong, isn't helping the team.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:01 pm to ocelot4ark
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If MA's system has holes in it, I'm not going to ignore them. That's not what winning programs or their fans do. That's not what a business does. That's not what a successful marriage does. You have to acknowledge problems to fix them. Putting your head in the sand and pretending the problems doesn't fix anything.
You really think your comments on a message board will fix anything?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:01 pm to Arkla Missy
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Arkla Missy
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:10 pm to ocelot4ark
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If it's good, it doesn't need commenting on...Now if it's bad, I'll comment.
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If MA's system has holes in it, I'm not going to ignore them. That's not what winning programs or their fans do. That's not what a business does. That's not what a successful marriage does.
So if your wife cooks a good meal, you don't compliment her? You only comment if the meal is bad?
I don't think I'll be coming to you for any marriage advice.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:10 pm to Stonehog
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You really think your comments on a message board will fix anything?
I know you're addressing that to ocelot, but I'm gonna comment because I tend to comment on the negative things more as well. ... I don't believe Bielema or Anderson or any other coach is going to read my comments or anyone else's comments on some message board & think, Damn, she's right. Why didn't I think of this before?
... For me, it's just more a matter of how I am, in general. Like I said, if things go smoothly, I'll say "good job" or whatever, but not go on about it since things went as they're intended. There's just more to say if things don't go well & there are problems. It's just voicing concerns. If I didn't care about it, I wouldn't say anything. ... Just a difference in the way people look at things. It all balances out & is good for discussion, imo. 
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:17 pm to ocelot4ark
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I don't recall EVER insulting someone just because they had an opinion from mine. In fact, that's the whole point. I end up having these long, drawn out arguments because people disagree with me and just throw out ad hominem attacks.
it's not that you insult people- i'm much worse about that than you.
i've just felt at times like you were griping at us all because of failures on the court or field when we all want the hogs to do well too. it's very possible that i may have missed the previous convos you had with specific people that may have made the comments i'm referring to be well deserved. i said i like you tho- i think you bring good points and question things that probably need to be questioned to the convo quite often. i'm by no means insulted by you or have any issue with you. i just have felt in the past like you hated us all for not being pissed enough. Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:23 pm to Stonehog
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You really think your comments on a message board will fix anything?
I'm pretty sure he's just venting his frustrations. Did you think bitching about Chaney's play calling was going to fix anything
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:30 pm to Raz4back
No and I never claimed that they would. ocelot said this, however:
I'm not sure what he expects to fix by posting nothing but negativity on a message board..
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You have to acknowledge problems to fix them. Putting your head in the sand and pretending the problems don't exist doesn't fix anything.
I'm not sure what he expects to fix by posting nothing but negativity on a message board..
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:32 pm to ocelot4ark
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Players change. Maturity changes. But the system is a objective indicator as to whether or not we have/will have the approach necessary to win games in 2015.
you mean the system that would never win on the road? or the system that always caused us to get out-rebounded? or the system that has decent success at two previous stops and has our team improving win totals year after year?
but yes, the coaches system is always to blame, and never the players execution, or the university for creating a climate in which attracting top players is difficult. maybe you preferred Heath or Pelprey's systems?
or maybe Mike wont win a natty at Arkansas. GASP! what a total failure. what a shitty coach. but he sure as shite is gonna leave us in a far better place than he found it. and i have a feeling he'll never get the credit he'll ultimately deserve if/when he cant meet some people's insane expectations, considering the circumstances.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:36 pm to Stonehog
I don't disagree that all negativity all the time is annoying. I 100% support Anderson, but I don't think he is beyond criticism either. He has certainly made personnel decisions that have left me scratching my head.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:41 pm to Raz4back
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but I don't think he is beyond criticism either. He has certainly made personnel decisions that have left me scratching my head.
nor do i, and i certainly have my issues. i would certainly expect recruiting to take a step up soon, and ive always been iffy about Mikes recruiting prowess.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:42 pm to Raz4back
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I don't disagree that all negativity all the time is annoying. I 100% support Anderson, but I don't think he is beyond criticism either. He has certainly made personnel decisions that have left me scratching my head.
I can agree with all of that. I disagreed with Mike just last week in the Ole Miss game when he pulled Madden after he made a huge play. Madden more than anyone else on this team thrives on emotion. You can see it in his eyes after he does something well. He hustles more and his game is sharper right after he makes a big play.
Last week he dove out of bounds and was able to throw the ball off an Ole Miss player to maintain possession. He starts beating his chest and getting fired up, and Mike immediately benches him. Madden was visibly pissed off, lowering his shoulders and staring down Mike all the way to the bench.
Having said all that, maybe Mike told Madden not to beat his chest after a big play? If that's the case then Mike has to make an example of him.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 4:43 pm
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