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Posted on 1/25/15 at 6:18 pm to Xanthous
Posted on 1/25/15 at 6:18 pm to Xanthous
Hate to tell everyone but Clark is probably one of the top 2 or 3 players on the team right now. Might not be true in a year. Might not be true in 2 years. But right now, it's difficult to name more than 3 guys ahead of him. J3. Teki. Then who? Wright has the potential but he isn't better right now. Isabel? Not currently. Shamburger? An argument could be made. Allen? Maybe next year but the guy can't score from 6 inches.
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 7:13 pm to reedus23
I think besides the two free throws Clark had the best all around game of anyone on the floor last night. On either side.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 7:49 pm to seaniec04
X,
A talent evaluator is not one of your strong points.
A talent evaluator is not one of your strong points.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:21 am to Stlweir
My opinion on Wes Clark is similar to my opinion of Lebron... I recognize the talent, but I dislike the style. Just not a fan of the way he plays.
That being said, the kid was nervous as heck at the line. He changed his routine, paused too long, and missed as a result. Could see his mind was working on it, and we all know that the best players just play without thinking about it.
As for the rest of the game...I'll say it, Deangelo allen is complete liability right now. Defensively works hard, but is seriously lacking on the talent side. Bricks the ball from 6" away, doesn't handle the ball very well, and looks scared when he does have it.
Shamburger is our best player right now.
That being said, the kid was nervous as heck at the line. He changed his routine, paused too long, and missed as a result. Could see his mind was working on it, and we all know that the best players just play without thinking about it.
As for the rest of the game...I'll say it, Deangelo allen is complete liability right now. Defensively works hard, but is seriously lacking on the talent side. Bricks the ball from 6" away, doesn't handle the ball very well, and looks scared when he does have it.
Shamburger is our best player right now.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:47 am to 5thTiger
Defense is part of basketball too and Clark plays by far the best defense of anyone on this team. He held Qualls to 3 of 15 shooting and below half his season average.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:20 pm to reedus23
Honestly Reedus, I like Clarks game. He shows passion and loads of determination on the court. I don't see his stock going anywhere but up really. I've just been spoiled by the likes of Peeler, Flip and Dixon. Would love to have another Mike Dixon. I liked him better than Pressey really. Clark needs some time to figure it out. He has the speed and ball handling skills and has turned into a damn good shooter.
But I think that J3 probably has the highest ceiling on the team. If a coach would just grab this kid in the off season, tape his left arm to his body and make him work with his right until he gets it, J3 would be very dangerous. It would open up a whole new game for him and Mizzou. A little extra good weight would help too.
The rest of them with the exception of Shamburger, have skill, but I don't think they are close to J3 or Clark or even Shamburger. Isabel and Wright are to streaky. Allen too. No answer there. Playing time I guess?
But I think that J3 probably has the highest ceiling on the team. If a coach would just grab this kid in the off season, tape his left arm to his body and make him work with his right until he gets it, J3 would be very dangerous. It would open up a whole new game for him and Mizzou. A little extra good weight would help too.
The rest of them with the exception of Shamburger, have skill, but I don't think they are close to J3 or Clark or even Shamburger. Isabel and Wright are to streaky. Allen too. No answer there. Playing time I guess?
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:24 pm to jafo
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I've just been spoiled by the likes of Peeler, Flip and Dixon.
I don't know why everyone was so high on Pressey...he was the worst decision maker in the history of decision making. Uncle Mike like him run the show, and he thought he was the shite. Really, he was just shitty. Haith should have sat his arse and left him on the bench to rot. He was all about him, screw the team.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:27 pm to jafo
I hear ya on Clark. I also think he would be viewed as a completely different type of player if he had the teams around him that Pressey or Dixon did in their first couple of years. Problem was, there were not just too many expectations right away but he needed to exceed those expectations in order for Mizzou to be successful. Really not fair to him.
I like J3 but I think Teki is the kid with the highest ceiling. J3's shot is just awkward for me and I don't know how you fix that at this point. Teki just tries to hard right now to be the star because he thinks he needs to. He'll get tremendously better as others around him get better.
I agree about taping J3's left hand to his side. He is too 1 dimensional right now.
I like J3 but I think Teki is the kid with the highest ceiling. J3's shot is just awkward for me and I don't know how you fix that at this point. Teki just tries to hard right now to be the star because he thinks he needs to. He'll get tremendously better as others around him get better.
I agree about taping J3's left hand to his side. He is too 1 dimensional right now.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:36 pm to RandomGarbage
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I don't know why everyone was so high on Pressey...he was the worst decision maker in the history of decision making. Uncle Mike like him run the show, and he thought he was the shite. Really, he was just shitty. Haith should have sat his arse and left him on the bench to rot. He was all about him, screw the team.
I can't even put a good argument up to that one. LOL. There were things I liked about Flip. When he wanted to, that kid could dish the ball. He was fun to watch at times. He was also not so fun to watch at times. He was so good at driving the lane. Not as fast as Dixon though. I think Dixon was the complete player. He just couldn't keep little willey in the barn. Dixon could flat push the court. Shame he couldn't et his head straight.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:40 pm to jafo
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I can't even put a good argument up to that one. LOL. There were things I liked about Flip. When he wanted to, that kid could dish the ball. He was fun to watch at times. He was also not so fun to watch at times. He was so good at driving the lane. Not as fast as Dixon though. I think Dixon was the complete player. He just couldn't keep little willey in the barn. Dixon could flat push the court. Shame he couldn't et his head straight.
No doubt...I agree that he was the real deal.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 7:45 pm to reedus23
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J3's shot is just awkward for me
J3 is an under the rim player. Rebounding, hook shots etc. That's his game. He can be somewhat unorthodox at times. But I think he could be a real presence in and around the lane if he can get that right hand going.
Again, I can't argue the Teki point. He just might have the highest ceiling. It's a good problem to have really.
I totally agree about Clark. If KA can add a couple pieces like say a Porter jr. and Cook, could you imagine.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 8:22 pm to jafo
Pressey had better court vision than anyone I can remember at Mizzou. Pressey also had some of the worst basketball IQ I can remember at Mizzou. But there were some passes he made that not only was I astounded by the pass, I would have to rewind the game not once or twice but more times to figure out how in the hell he even saw that passing lane. Sometimes I never saw it. Then the next time down the court he'd pass the ball to the 5th row because he wasn't looking.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 11:48 pm to reedus23
I think Clark loses playing time and transfers his senior yr. At the minimum he isn't clutch and his game is grimey. I dont care for watching players that can't make a game winning shot. He's a soph, how much more time does he get?
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 1/27/15 at 12:38 am to Xanthous
At the end of the game you wanted Dixon on the line and not Pressey.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 12:39 am to seaniec04
Clark won't be losing playing time to anyone IMO
Posted on 1/27/15 at 8:32 am to seaniec04
I like Clark's attitude...and I think he really matures and grows as a leader as this season goes along. Don't like the style in which he plays, but I'll get over it.
Dixon and Flip were different players. They complemented each other perfectly though.
As for Dixon's dismissal...I read the entire police report. There is no denying that he is a creepy guy. "turn off the lights, my eyes hurt." But being creepy is not illegal the last time I checked. I truly believe he would have been kept on the team had the swim team issue not been dug up by espn.
As for playing time, I don't see anyone losing any from the guards. Clark will stay around 30 min/game. Isabell 20, Sham 35, wright 20, teki 30
Dixon and Flip were different players. They complemented each other perfectly though.
As for Dixon's dismissal...I read the entire police report. There is no denying that he is a creepy guy. "turn off the lights, my eyes hurt." But being creepy is not illegal the last time I checked. I truly believe he would have been kept on the team had the swim team issue not been dug up by espn.
As for playing time, I don't see anyone losing any from the guards. Clark will stay around 30 min/game. Isabell 20, Sham 35, wright 20, teki 30
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:05 am to 5thTiger
Dixon's dismissal was huge from a basketball standpoint. He was the missing ingredient in that team. IMO the team that lost to Norfolk was one of the better teams I've ever seen in my lifetime. They were a lot of fun to watch. Those guards were brutal on opposing teams. I still hate thinking about that game at KU that year that was given to the chickens by the refs. They also deserved a 1 seed that year.... 
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:07 am to RandomGarbage
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I don't know why everyone was so high on Pressey...he was the worst decision maker in the history of decision making. Uncle Mike like him run the show, and he thought he was the shite. Really, he was just shitty. Haith should have sat his arse and left him on the bench to rot. He was all about him, screw the team.
Mizzou Career Assists Leader:
580 - Phil Pressey - 2010-2013
497 - Anthony Peeler - 1989-92
488 - Melvin Booker - 1991-94
433 - Larry Drew - 1977-80
431 - Lee Coward - 1987-90
382 - Jon Sundvold - 1980-83
380 - Mike Sandbothe - 1986-89
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:52 am to seaniec04
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Dixon's dismissal was huge from a basketball standpoint
This can't be stressed enough.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 2:27 pm to NEMizzou
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Mizzou Career Assists Leader:
580 - Phil Pressey - 2010-2013
497 - Anthony Peeler - 1989-92
488 - Melvin Booker - 1991-94
433 - Larry Drew - 1977-80
431 - Lee Coward - 1987-90
382 - Jon Sundvold - 1980-83
380 - Mike Sandbothe - 1986-89
He also took terrible shots because he wasn't a great shooter, and he was extremely turnover prone. I will give him that he made some passes during each game that made you say wow, but he was also just as quick to launch a three 5 seconds into the shot clock and not move the ball around in the offense. Go read some pre-draft stuff on him. They hit the nail on the head...spotty shooter, mixed results in close games because he tried to do to much, turnover prone. I am glad he was a tiger, but let's not get carried away on what he really was.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 2:29 pm
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