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The popular narrative regarding transgender individuals disturbs me greatly
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:59 pm
Another article, another parent vehemently defending their attempts to play into their child's mental illness:
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Gender dysmorphic disorder is a psychological disorder outlined in the DSM. There exists large volumes of data that psychological and drug therapy are as effective at treating GDD as they are schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Parents, and the fringe doctors who go along with it, are effectively playing into a delusion. It is no different than drilling into the head looking for a microchip that a paranoid schizophrenic insists the government put there.
Doctors who go along with sex-reassignment procedures and hormone therapy for these kids should have their license revoked, and parents who endorse these delusions and cause permanent psychological damage to their children should not be allowed to make such decisions for them. These children are not happier, studies show that they have vastly increased rates of substance abuse, depression and suicide attempts.
This is a mental illness to be treated with modern medicine, not a "variant" to be treated as normal and encouraged.
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Cis people are never expected to discuss their genitals in casual conversation. This is where privilege comes in: People whose gender identity aligns with the sex assigned to them at birth aren't expected to explain or defend themselves, or to bare their all. Even though cis bodies vary as much as trans bodies do, we take it for granted that they don't, or we allow for certain variations and not others. And when we focus on any person's genitals, we reduce the sum of their identity to that one body part; likewise, when we rely on a sexual marker, like breasts or the absence thereof, to tell us "who" a person "is," we miss out on everything else that defines their identity: what they think, feel, do, create.
As much as we might like to believe otherwise, having one particular set of parts or another does not authenticate any identity, objectively speaking; these anatomical components simply reflect the meaning we attach to them. I believe a change in focus is possible -- a change away from the mindset that individual body parts have the capacity to define us. We as humans are capable of such organic shifts in collective thinking.
Gender dysmorphic disorder is a psychological disorder outlined in the DSM. There exists large volumes of data that psychological and drug therapy are as effective at treating GDD as they are schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Parents, and the fringe doctors who go along with it, are effectively playing into a delusion. It is no different than drilling into the head looking for a microchip that a paranoid schizophrenic insists the government put there.
Doctors who go along with sex-reassignment procedures and hormone therapy for these kids should have their license revoked, and parents who endorse these delusions and cause permanent psychological damage to their children should not be allowed to make such decisions for them. These children are not happier, studies show that they have vastly increased rates of substance abuse, depression and suicide attempts.
This is a mental illness to be treated with modern medicine, not a "variant" to be treated as normal and encouraged.
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:02 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It is no different than drilling into the head looking for a microchip that a paranoid schizophrenic insists the government put there.
Doctors who go along with sex-reassignment procedures and hormone therapy for these kids should have their license revoked, and parents who endorse these delusions and cause permanent psychological damage to their children should not be allowed to make such decisions for them.
THANK. YOU.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:09 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Cis people are never expected to discuss their genitals in casual conversation
Damn I knew I was doing it wrong.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
I think gender stating Tee shirts is the answer.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
I hate to say it but you know what else was in the DSM?
PC will win.
There's already a T in LGBT
PC will win.
There's already a T in LGBT
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
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This is a mental illness to be treated with modern medicine, not a "variant" to be treated as normal and encouraged.
Your opinion
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:21 pm to genro
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I hate to say it but you know what else was in the DSM?
PC will win.
There's already a T in LGBT
The difference is that therapy and medication are ineffective in treating homosexuality but have around a 60% initial response rate in GDD which is very good for mental illness. Maximal therapy brings that number to around 70% which is BETTER than the rates for schizophrenia.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:22 pm to blzr
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Keeping saying "I don't have a dick, I don't have a dick, I don't have a dick," when you have a dick seems to fit that bill.
Keeping saying "I don't have a dick, I don't have a dick, I don't have a dick," when you have a dick seems to fit that bill.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:24 pm to blzr
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Your opinion
Medical reality
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:26 pm to blzr
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This is a mental illness to be treated with modern medicine, not a "variant" to be treated as normal and encouraged.
Your opinion
No sir, Medical Fact
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
Well the widespread treatment, and the development thereof, came to a halt a few decades ago, no?
And is effectiveness of treatment a serious criterion for classification as a disorder?
And is effectiveness of treatment a serious criterion for classification as a disorder?
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
No idea why this made me think of this and it's OT but I'm interested in your answer: Do you agree with the AMA's classification of Obesity as a disease?
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:44 pm to genro
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And is effectiveness of treatment a serious criterion for classification as a disorder?
It provides insight into the nature of a psychological condition. GDD clearly has a significant organic brain cause, whereas homosexuality seems to be more of a largely unflinching personality trait. Both are deviations from the norm but homosexuality seems neither responsive to treatment nor in and of itself harmful to the individual.
Whether or not either is moral isn't the issue here.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:47 pm to KSGamecock
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Do you agree with the AMA's classification of Obesity as a disease?
Technically yes, if liver disease due to alcohol abuse is a disease than so is obesity from overeating and lack of exercise.
The problem comes when people takes this to mean that the obesity isn't their fault, like many forms of cancer or heart disease. Obesity is almost always the fault of the individual and allowing them to take the blame off themselves is detrimental to fixing the problem.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
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like many forms of cancer or heart disease. Obesity is almost always the fault of the individual and allowing them to take the blame off themselves is detrimental to fixing the problem.
hmmmm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:50 pm to KSGamecock
I mean, if you smoke for 50 years you don't really get to complain when you get lung cancer. 
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Again, has treatment and the development not been halted? Studied sparsely in a politically oppressive environment?
It provides insight into the nature of a psychological condition. GDD clearly has a significant organic brain cause, whereas homosexuality seems to be more of a largely unflinching personality trait. Both are deviations from the norm but homosexuality seems neither responsive to treatment nor in and of itself harmful to the individual.
And if you could explain the bolded portion and why it can't be applied to just about any mental ilness.
quote:I don't know why you're bringing it up then. I'll remind you that I'm a pragmatic agnostic moral relativist who subjectively favors the traditional American Judeo-Christian/Enlightenment outline of morality over any other available code, most especially progressivism, as I am keen to the inherent civilized danger of extreme tolerance and the relentless pursuit of impossible equality, especially when built on a nihilistic narcissistic foundation. But that's neither here nor there.
Whether or not either is moral isn't the issue here
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:59 pm to genro
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I don't know why you're bringing it up then. I'll remind you that I'm a pragmatic agnostic moral relativist who subjectively favors the traditional American Judeo-Christian/Enlightenment outline of morality over any other available code, most especially progressivism, as I am keen to the inherent civilized danger of extreme tolerance and the relentless pursuit of impossible equality, especially when built on a nihilistic narcissistic foundation. But that's neither here nor there.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 10:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Gender dysmorphic disorder is a psychological disorder outlined in the DSM.
So was homosexuality in the DSM II, do you not think that this too may change or do you think homosexuality is a Mental Illness as well?
I know several mental health professionals that hold to the DSM II diagnosis still.
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 10:12 pm to genro
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Again, has treatment and the development not been halted? Studied sparsely in a politically oppressive environment?
Yes, but we still have 50+ years worth of psychological therapy studies regarding homosexuality and 10-15 years of medical therapy data which revealed little effect and often detrimental effects that occurred in the 20th century. Treating homosexuals with clozapine goes back to the late-50s and 60s. Many homosexuals are treated with SSRIs for depression today and while their depression usually remits none have shown any change in sexual attraction. As far as we know, there is nothing we currently have in our arsenal to change the state of one's sexual attraction apart from very controversial and potentially dangerous psychological "brainwashing" measures which largely utilize fear, shame and distress.
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And if you could explain the bolded portion and why it can't be applied to just about any mental ilness.
Schizophrenia, bipolar, GDD, etc. produce negative psychological and physical manifestations regardless of outside influence (obviously excluding medical therapy). You can make fun of schizophrenic endlessly or treat him like a king, he's still much more likely to try to kill himself, abuse drugs and alcohol, end up homeless and suffer from depression simply because they have schizophrenia. GDD, studies seem to indicate, causes significant problems irrespective of how accepting others are of them.
In contrast, the psychological effects of homosexuality are largely caused by their social environment. It is the external treatment from others, not the fact that they are gay, which causes morbidity and morality. Homosexuals raised by accepting parents with a supportive social environment generally have good outcomes. It is those who are constantly shamed, bullied and kicked out of the home who suffer from the significant detrimental effects.
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I don't know why you're bringing it up then.
Because the issue is the parents and doctors who treat it this way, not whether or not it is immoral to be transgender.
I don't agree that anything is inherently immoral, but relative to the society we live in some things are practically immoral.
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