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Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:41 pm
I posted this on Tigerboard but I wanted to bring it over here too. What's ESPN's issue with Missouri? It's almost comical how hard they try to ignore/discredit our state.
-Went 12-2 in 2013 yet were excluded from their preseason 2014 top 25.
-Went 11-3 in 2014 yet were excluded from their preseason 2015 top 25.
-Only major news source not to list Shane Ray as an all-american
-Their bias against the Cardinals is well documented
-Before the 2014 World Series even started, they claimed it was "the worst World Series ever"
-They incessantly target Mizzou more than any other school to dig up and write stories that reflect poorly on the school
The list goes on and on but these are a few major ones I can think of. ESPN seems to have a huge stick up their arse when it comes to Mizzou. Is it due to journalists trying to discredit Mizzou's image as the number 1 J-school to better their own positions?
-Went 12-2 in 2013 yet were excluded from their preseason 2014 top 25.
-Went 11-3 in 2014 yet were excluded from their preseason 2015 top 25.
-Only major news source not to list Shane Ray as an all-american
-Their bias against the Cardinals is well documented
-Before the 2014 World Series even started, they claimed it was "the worst World Series ever"
-They incessantly target Mizzou more than any other school to dig up and write stories that reflect poorly on the school
The list goes on and on but these are a few major ones I can think of. ESPN seems to have a huge stick up their arse when it comes to Mizzou. Is it due to journalists trying to discredit Mizzou's image as the number 1 J-school to better their own positions?
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:47 pm to KCM0Tiger
I don't give two shites. Im not trying to attack you per the typical message board poster. But I really don't care what anyone else thinks and our fans need to stop as well.
We aren't in the top tier of schools (schools who play for NC)
We aren't in the second tier of schools (teams who win CCG's)
We are a third tier school. It sucks but it is true. Maybe some of our fans need to come back to earth a little bit. Being I just saw the same post on TB. I assume that was you, maybe you can lead the charge to get that garbage off of that board.
Edit: That was indeed you, I overlooked it
We aren't in the top tier of schools (schools who play for NC)
We aren't in the second tier of schools (teams who win CCG's)
We are a third tier school. It sucks but it is true. Maybe some of our fans need to come back to earth a little bit. Being I just saw the same post on TB. I assume that was you, maybe you can lead the charge to get that garbage off of that board.
Edit: That was indeed you, I overlooked it
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:51 pm to KCM0Tiger
I've always assumed the J School students that wind up at ESPN tend to try to not talk up Mizzou to project an unbiased opinion of their alma mater. That may be looking at the situation through black and gold glasses, though.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:52 pm to Scooter McCooter
We are second tier.
Top tier should be lumped together. CCGs and NCs.
Top tier should be lumped together. CCGs and NCs.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:56 pm to KCM0Tiger
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Fox has ranked. Fox says we have a talented OL coming back. I am assuming they are taking in Bauer and the JUCO OT. Because last year our OL outside of G and C wasnt very good.
We lose Ray, Golden and others. We are relying on Augusta, Brantley, Loud and Harris as it stands. We slim dept behind those 4.
Our OL wasnt good last year no matter what Fox says.
We had returning WRs this year, they werent what we had in 13. It hurt is significantly. This year we really have no idea what we have cause Moore didnt step up and Brown, Blair, others got little to no PT.
I have no problem saying we aren't preseason top 25 material. When the season ends, you take into consideration what you have coming back and in. Not that you won 11 games the season before.
Fox has ranked. Fox says we have a talented OL coming back. I am assuming they are taking in Bauer and the JUCO OT. Because last year our OL outside of G and C wasnt very good.
We lose Ray, Golden and others. We are relying on Augusta, Brantley, Loud and Harris as it stands. We slim dept behind those 4.
Our OL wasnt good last year no matter what Fox says.
We had returning WRs this year, they werent what we had in 13. It hurt is significantly. This year we really have no idea what we have cause Moore didnt step up and Brown, Blair, others got little to no PT.
I have no problem saying we aren't preseason top 25 material. When the season ends, you take into consideration what you have coming back and in. Not that you won 11 games the season before.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:01 pm to Scooter McCooter
I don't disagree with you, we aren't elite. But it gets old hearing every single year how we're "losing all this talent" and how we won't be able to replicate the success. We are the 5th winningest program over the last 8 seasons!! Yes we were bad for a long time before that, but when you've won 76 games over 8 seasons, it's time to admit that Mizzou can sustain the success even when they're losing talent.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:01 pm to Scooter McCooter
Everybody loses players. I think the point being that other schools receive the benefit of the doubt while doing way less to earn it than we have.
I fully expect us to be picked 3rd or 4th in the East this year. They may eventually get it right, but I doubt it.
I fully expect us to be picked 3rd or 4th in the East this year. They may eventually get it right, but I doubt it.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:06 pm to JesusQuintana
We are 1-2 agaisnt UGA and 1-2 against.
To think we are in control of the SEC east is funny. Tennessee is coming unless Butch is a Derek Dooley. It might not be next year but they are coming, same for Florida.
Like I said before you have to recruit, develop and coach. The talent gaps do exist. Eventually those schools will get it right.
There is a reason why SC and Arky have ZERO SEC titles since their inception to the SEC.
To think we are in control of the SEC east is funny. Tennessee is coming unless Butch is a Derek Dooley. It might not be next year but they are coming, same for Florida.
Like I said before you have to recruit, develop and coach. The talent gaps do exist. Eventually those schools will get it right.
There is a reason why SC and Arky have ZERO SEC titles since their inception to the SEC.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:08 pm to KCM0Tiger
To add to my previous post, this was honestly one of the worst years I remember as a Mizzou fan. It wasn't just about wearing the cup and waiting for the other shoe to drop, that's normal. It was knowing that for the first time I can remember, that the other shoe should have dropped and it never did.
The proof is always in the pudding, and the record shows how good this team was. However, I think if this season was played 100 times, the Tigers would win 11 games twice. I'm glad the real world turned out the way it did, but I have serious doubts this is the 14th best team in the nation, and I have little to be optimistic about for next year.
I don't know how it happened, but I somehow became negazou after an 11 win season.
The proof is always in the pudding, and the record shows how good this team was. However, I think if this season was played 100 times, the Tigers would win 11 games twice. I'm glad the real world turned out the way it did, but I have serious doubts this is the 14th best team in the nation, and I have little to be optimistic about for next year.
I don't know how it happened, but I somehow became negazou after an 11 win season.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:11 pm to Scooter McCooter
Of all of the "experts", ESPN is the laziest. Plus too many Mizzou fans want the world to fawn over us because of the last 2 years in the SEC. Granted we were pretty good in the B12 but history has seemed to have started over. When we win the SEC, then they'll start giving us automatic berths in the preseason rankings.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:16 pm to Mizzeaux
I think you feel that Florida and Tennessee wont remain average teams and I agree with you.
I dont think we wont ever win the East again. But I think winning back-to-back is over.
Eventually Richt stops choking, or he is gone. We would prefer he stay, trust me. Im not saying we didnt deserve our two east titles, we earned them. But we havent truly went to war in the East yet. That time will come sooner rather than later.
I dont think we wont ever win the East again. But I think winning back-to-back is over.
Eventually Richt stops choking, or he is gone. We would prefer he stay, trust me. Im not saying we didnt deserve our two east titles, we earned them. But we havent truly went to war in the East yet. That time will come sooner rather than later.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:17 pm to Scooter McCooter
Well, we've won it two years in a row. We can him haw about why and how all you like, but the results are what matters.
Georgia, South Carolina, UT and UF can all be better than us as long as they keep finishing behind us in the standings. Works for me.
Georgia, South Carolina, UT and UF can all be better than us as long as they keep finishing behind us in the standings. Works for me.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:21 pm to JesusQuintana
Bookmark this.......3 peat next year.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:23 pm to Scooter McCooter
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I think you feel that Florida and Tennessee wont remain average teams and I agree with you.
I actually think they'll be average for a while. It's more about getting the foundation set for the future, and I don't think this season really built on the foundation that was laid out. Now that the season is over and most of what will be remembered is what's in the record book, I'd just like to put it behind us and hope next year is better.
The entry for Mizzou in the record book this year could have, and probably should have been, worse.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:27 pm to Wtodd
No reason that can't happen.
If pick Georgia or Mizzou at this point.
If pick Georgia or Mizzou at this point.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:30 pm to Scooter McCooter
I'm going to guess that the extent of Fox's review of our OLine is how many guys are returning, in which case 4 out of 5 looks pretty good. I'm not as hard on our line play as you are. I think they improved as the year went on, but it still wasn't great. Too many false starts. But at the same time, it will only be better next year either because of another year of maturity and experience for the guys returning or because someone with more talent beat them out. Win/Win for Mizzou IMO.
I agree with no WR's coming back. A complete question mark. Having said that...someone will catch the ball. I think we'll be top 25 before the season ends. The schedule sets up favorably for us.
What's coming back or in:
OL - Improved
QB - Improved
RB - Same or improved
WR - Question mark but I'd suggest same. Last year wasn't hard to match.
TE - Improved
DE - Down
DT - Same/Improved
LB - Improved
DB - Improved
ST - Down
That's a lot of improving from an 11-3 team that won the SEC east. We may disagree on what is improving and what is not though.
I agree with no WR's coming back. A complete question mark. Having said that...someone will catch the ball. I think we'll be top 25 before the season ends. The schedule sets up favorably for us.
What's coming back or in:
OL - Improved
QB - Improved
RB - Same or improved
WR - Question mark but I'd suggest same. Last year wasn't hard to match.
TE - Improved
DE - Down
DT - Same/Improved
LB - Improved
DB - Improved
ST - Down
That's a lot of improving from an 11-3 team that won the SEC east. We may disagree on what is improving and what is not though.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:37 pm to JesusQuintana
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the results are what matters.
I'd just assume go 10-2 and NOT win the East. Going to ATL and getting our face beat in is just a reminder of how far away we really are.
10-2 and a NY6 Bowl would be much more appealing to me at this point. Especially if we won said bowl. The CCG drubbings on national TV do more harm than good IMO. Plus, ignorance is bliss, I wouldn't realize just how far away the program is.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:38 pm to Scooter McCooter
SC did finish #4 in the country 2 seasons ago. UGA did finish around top 10 this year. I don't know if I would say we haven't gone to war, we just haven't gone to war with UF and UT. So what if next year it's between MU, UT and UGA? Or do UF, UT, UGA, SC and MU all have to be top 20 in order to say we went to war? I guess my point is every year some teams are going to be "down" just by virtue of the fact that someone has to lose.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:43 pm to Remote Controlled
Not me. We didn't get drubbed by Auburn anyway. They pulled away at the end, but that was a competitive game. Steckel's gameplan cost us a SEC title and a shot at a NC.
Keep knocking until you get in.
Keep knocking until you get in.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:51 pm to Mizzeaux
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To add to my previous post, this was honestly one of the worst years I remember as a Mizzou fan. It wasn't just about wearing the cup and waiting for the other shoe to drop, that's normal. It was knowing that for the first time I can remember, that the other shoe should have dropped and it never did.
The proof is always in the pudding, and the record shows how good this team was. However, I think if this season was played 100 times, the Tigers would win 11 games twice. I'm glad the real world turned out the way it did, but I have serious doubts this is the 14th best team in the nation, and I have little to be optimistic about for next year.
I don't know how it happened, but I somehow became negazou after an 11 win season.
I don't disagree that Missouri probably could have lost one or two more than they did - SC being the obvious.
Part of the disbelief is rooted in the way they won - with defense and grit. It's not been our style. But the fact remains they took out three of the hottest / Flavor Of The Week teams (A&M, Tennessee and Arkansas) in succession to win the division and that was no fluke. In fact, they won almost every game in the same fashion starting with South Carolina and ending with their bowl game - stop and start offense and the best defense in the Pinkel era.
As for next year, I'm feeling about the same as I did heading into this one - rebuilding with 8-9 wins.
Hope you find a way to get back into it. You were missed.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 5:53 pm
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