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18 years of fraud at Chapel Hill...
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:42 pm
holy schnikes.. this is Penn st level cover up....
for those who believe the wild farcical nonsense that "the NCAA is unnecessary" here is exhibit A of why you are dead wrong...
trying to blame 2 people for a wide scale institutional fraud and cover up.. after the NCAA bends them over.. the state of NC should put some of these people in jail.
for those who believe the wild farcical nonsense that "the NCAA is unnecessary" here is exhibit A of why you are dead wrong...
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The university says the blame rests firmly and exclusively with two people: Mr. Nyang’oro and Deborah Crowder, the department manager, who retired in 2009 after 30 years there.
trying to blame 2 people for a wide scale institutional fraud and cover up.. after the NCAA bends them over.. the state of NC should put some of these people in jail.
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:43 pm to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:43 pm to Jagd Tiger
I was assuming you had a more recent article...you serious with this?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:47 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
it's staying very low profile, for such a massive scam, and no I hadn't heard much about it lately. So when do they actually start getting penalties applied?
Sounds like the NCAA is treating this as just another pedestrian case of cheating.
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Sounds like the NCAA is treating this as just another pedestrian case of cheating.
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UNC had been maintaining for two years that the fake classes at the heart of the long-running fraud were not driven by athletics because nonathletes had the same access to them and received the same high grades. But the report by a team of lawyers led by former U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein found the classes were largely created to help keep athletes eligible, and that several counselors in the athletes’ tutoring program knew the classes had no instruction.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:52 pm to Jagd Tiger
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it's staying very low profile, for such a massive scam, and no I hadn't heard much about it lately. So when do they actually start getting penalties applied?
Sounds like the NCAA is treating this as just another pedestrian case of cheating.
It's not a secret. Mccants came out and said he never went to class at UNC. That's some next level cheating. UNC should get the death penalty.
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:55 pm to Jagd Tiger
We've been keeping up with it on the USC board. If you go down the rabbit hole the shite they were doing is ridiculous.
What's even more ridiculous is the lack of national media attention the case is getting. There has been some here and there but for something of this magnitude there ought to be more coverage and penalties.
They deserve the death penalty in football and men's basketball
What's even more ridiculous is the lack of national media attention the case is getting. There has been some here and there but for something of this magnitude there ought to be more coverage and penalties.
They deserve the death penalty in football and men's basketball
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:56 pm to Jagd Tiger
Starts at the top.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:57 pm to Jagd Tiger
SEC Rant
Chapel Hill
Germans
You hit a triple.
Chapel Hill
Germans
You hit a triple.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:59 pm to Jagd Tiger
And sadly, not a thing will be done about it either. Some professors will get axed and Roy will keep on drinking his Coca Cola.
And before someone wants to bitch about a UK fan bitching about UNC, I've seen my team on serious probation for improprieties. So it's not like the NCAA has been above popping UK in the past. It's utter bullshite that they've above popping UNC right now.
And before someone wants to bitch about a UK fan bitching about UNC, I've seen my team on serious probation for improprieties. So it's not like the NCAA has been above popping UK in the past. It's utter bullshite that they've above popping UNC right now.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:01 pm to roadGator
The reason it isn't getting a lot of play in the media is because this is a case that truly deserves the death penalty, and NO ONE , including the NCAA wants to do to a MAJOR program ( in BBALL). Too much money at stake. However, THIS should wreck havoc with UNC's accreditation, which would be just as bad.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:04 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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. That's some next level cheating. UNC should get the death penalty.
YES!
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What's even more ridiculous is the lack of national media attention the case is getting. There has been some here and there but for something of this magnitude there ought to be more coverage and penalties.
They deserve the death penalty in football and men's basketball
THIS!
for a school like say, Oki St, to engage in such long term, massive academic fraud would be one thing, but this is supposedly a "flagship academic" university, and trying to sweep it under the rug and downplay the seriousness, at that.
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:07 pm to Jagd Tiger
The death penalty gets tossed around by fans like candy in the face of any and all corruption. However, this is the one case where I think it absolutely applies. This completely violates the very purpose of college athletics and the mission of the NCAA.
I mean, paying players and recruiting violations are one thing but we can at the very least pretend that the players are at least still going to class and graduating as college-educated people with valuable degrees.
Not only does this tell us that for years, many athletes were not going to class but also that many athletes (and general students) were accepting inherently worthless degrees on account of their not completing anything resembling college coursework.
This isn't just a violation of the NCAA, but of SACS accreditation. Death penalty should be the least of UNC's worries.
I mean, paying players and recruiting violations are one thing but we can at the very least pretend that the players are at least still going to class and graduating as college-educated people with valuable degrees.
Not only does this tell us that for years, many athletes were not going to class but also that many athletes (and general students) were accepting inherently worthless degrees on account of their not completing anything resembling college coursework.
This isn't just a violation of the NCAA, but of SACS accreditation. Death penalty should be the least of UNC's worries.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So it's not like the NCAA has been above popping UK in the past. It's utter bullshite that they've above popping UNC right now.
there may have been some legal argument against the NCAA over extending in the Penn St case, though it clearly was an institutional cover up that endangered students and therefore was in there jurisdiction.
there is NO ARGUMENT AT ALL in this case, against the NCAA's domain of responsibility.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:20 pm to tylerdurden24
I don't agree with the death penalty ever. It punishes the wrong people. They should be punished as harshly as possible in a way that impacts the current students as little as possible. Their degrees have already been tarnished enough, frankly.
Strip all wins from all athletic programs involved for the duration of the scheme, lifetime ban for all coaches, administrators, tutors, etc. who had even outside knowledge of the scheme or who should have known, from any work at any accredited institution of higher learning.
I think the NCAA is scared to get involved in a case of this magnitude given their relatively unstable position.
Strip all wins from all athletic programs involved for the duration of the scheme, lifetime ban for all coaches, administrators, tutors, etc. who had even outside knowledge of the scheme or who should have known, from any work at any accredited institution of higher learning.
I think the NCAA is scared to get involved in a case of this magnitude given their relatively unstable position.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:25 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I don't agree with the death penalty ever. It punishes the wrong people.
I think the concept of death penalty = lifetime ban is over stated, a 10 year hard slap on the face, ie scholarship reduction/post season ban and constant oversight under close scrutiny while on probation. It's sort of the "modern death penalty" definition. 10 years of not playing in the NCAA tourney,, yea good luck w/ that Roy.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:28 pm to Jagd Tiger
The NCAA death penalty is what was given to SMU. Two year (or one year) shut down of the program in question. It is basically a twenty year penalty in football, using SMU as a case study. Might not be as bad in basketball, but still really bad.
The current students at UNC don't deserve that.
The current students at UNC don't deserve that.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:32 pm to Jagd Tiger
Duke finna eat in recruiting
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:37 pm to cas4t
If you have an hour and want to recap the whole saga. Using the links, you can see how the story developed he past year AND see how UNC's Official "what had happened was" story changed.
https://www.secrant.com/rant/p/47311664/unc-admits-academic-fraud-lack-of-institutional-controls-lawsuits-now-filed/
https://www.secrant.com/rant/p/47311664/unc-admits-academic-fraud-lack-of-institutional-controls-lawsuits-now-filed/
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:37 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I don't agree with the death penalty ever. It punishes the wrong people. They should be punished as harshly as possible in a way that impacts the current students as little as possible. Their degrees have already been tarnished enough, frankly.
Normally, I completely agree. But at this point, the students are willingly participating in widespread academic fraud AND the athletic department is raking in mad profit off of a cheated system. Shut the whole thing down, let students attempt to transfer to schools that will accept them, and make the school rebuild. Anything else reinforces the farce that shite like this is turning college athletics into.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:41 pm to Crowknowsbest
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The current students at UNC don't deserve that.
I don't think they deserve it, but they're not totally innocent. Those classes weren;t just for basketball players. Thousands upon thousands of athletes in every sport, as well as regular students, took those courses and received dummy grades. Many students have admitted that they took the courses because they knew they were throw away hours made for the athletes.
That's fraud that reaches campus-wide, not just through the halls of the athletic offices.
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