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re: Why does Alabama claim som many national titles

Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:08 pm to
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:08 pm to
I see that 15 thrown around a lot around here and it always makes me laugh, because unlike the people that are so proud of it, I know what it really means...nothing.
Posted by redeye
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:12 pm to
Every school claiming retroactive titles are no better.
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:15 pm to
Because you touch yourself at night
Posted by Roses of Crimson
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:16 pm to
OK, let's do this again. Not that it will do any good because it doesn't fit some agendas but anyway...

Pre-poll- There wasn't always the pols, the Bowl coalition or the BCS. There was one bowl game and the winner of the Rose Bowl was the National Champ. This should not even be debatable.

Poll era- There were 2 polls, the UPI and AP. Sportswriters and coaches. Since Notre Dame DID NOT participate in bowl games until the 70's it was decided that the UPI would be awarded after the regular season. Just the rules. Many teams were awarded the NC and went on to lose the bowl game. Auburn has proudly trumpeted their 1957 NC even though they DIDNT EVEN PLAY A BOWL GAME because of NCAA sanctions. This was changed in the mis 70's but split titles remained, as recently and 1991 Miami and Washington split and 1997 when Michigan and Nebraska split. Only when the BCS came along did we eliminate the split tiles.
After the poll era all that counted was the AP or UPI vote. This is why Auburns 1983 claim is ridiculous. Were they the best team? probably but Miami won the 2 polls so they are national champs.

No one else does this? this is both ignorant and preposterous. Do you know ho many titles Notre Dame has if you discount pre bowl game titles. They would have 1973, 1977 and 1988. Ask them how many they have. Michigan would have 2. Ask them how many they have? Arky won the AP in 64 on a split vote but when Bama wins the 78 AP title with a split with SC suddenly Bama shouldn't claim that. Again, adjusting to fit an agenda.

If you want to claim AP titles Bama more than anyone but this discounting Bama pre-poll, splits, Rose Bowls but giving it to other teams is just looking for a reason to bitch about Bama. PLENTY, PLENTY of schools count splits, pre-polls and Rose Bowls. This is just plain ignorance that seems to follow twenty somethings around that if it happened more than 15 minutes ago it either didn't happen or didn't matter. You can make a case for 1941 but Bama's other 14 re not debatable as they were awarded correctly due to the system at the time.
Posted by Scoreboard
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:37 pm to
In the 80's their SID decided he would add 6 national titles. They went from 6 to 12

They have 12 because 1 guy, Wayne Atcheson, thought 12 sounded better than 6. He even included 1941, when Bama finished third in the SEC behind Mississippi State and Vandy, both of whom shut out Bama.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:41 pm to
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There was one bowl game and the winner of the Rose Bowl was the National Champ. This should not even be debatable.


Gumps are so fricking dumb. The best teams in the country almost never even played in the Rose Bowl back when it was the only bowl. Bama was about the 7th choice for the Rose bowl for the first title bama claims because the top teams in the country declined the invite.

It is hilarious how ignorant gumps are at time which makes it even funnier when they claim a bunch of those titles having no clue what they are talking about.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:42 pm to
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I know what it really means...nothing.


Then stop letting it bother you. I everytime people claim that it doesn't get to them.
Posted by JaxTiger10
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:43 pm to
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Pre-poll- There wasn't always the pols, the Bowl coalition or the BCS. There was one bowl game and the winner of the Rose Bowl was the National Champ. This should not even be debatable. 


bullshite. You claim titles from.the 1920's using polls that didnt exist until the 1930's.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:55 pm to
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Then stop letting it bother you.


It doesn't at all. Buy another meaningless sticker, tshirt, hat, key chain, coffee mug, booksack, koozie, etc. Keeps the chinese economy afloat. (or create a witty username)

This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:59 pm to
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bullshite. You claim titles from.the 1920's using polls that didnt exist until the 1930's.


I think they just claim titles when they won the Rose bowl.

Again, that is a ridiculous reason the claim a title back then. In the 20's and 30's the best teams in the country were mainly northern teams. In those years, most northern and southern teams declined the Rose bowl invites due to cost of travel, classes and so forth. Bama being a football program with a school attached to it never worried about those kinds of things and would always accept the Rose bowl invite in years when enough top teams declined the invites.

Here is a summary of the Rose Bowls picks in 1925 (which bama claims an a NC):

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Their regular season complete, all that was left for Alabama was to wait for the Rose Bowl bid they simply had to have to be considered nationally relevant. 8-0 Dartmouth, 7-0-2 Colgate, and 5-1-1 Princeton turned down invitations, and 7-1 Michigan, 5-3 Illinois, and 5-2-1 Yale appear to have rebuffed inquiries as well, so the Rose Bowl committee looked Southward, but first to Alabama's Southern Conference co-champion 9-0-1 Tulane. Unlike Alabama, Tulane had already established national relevance by tying Missouri Valley champion Missouri (6-1-1) and by going up to Chicago and beating 5-3 Northwestern 18-7 (Northwestern gave 7-1 Michigan their only loss). But Tulane also turned down the Rose Bowl, citing concern over the students being out of class for the long trip out West and back. The Rose Bowl bid thus fell to Alabama, and they would certainly not waste the opportunity.


This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted by tigershark20
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:01 pm to
Because bama fans are stupid inbread idiots... #FACT
Posted by mbogo
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:02 pm to
You seem to have put a lot of time into researching Bama NCs. So how many do you say they have?
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:03 pm
Posted by JaxTiger10
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:02 pm to
I know 1-2 of their titles are claimed using polls that didnt exits until later. Ill look and see
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:04 pm to
Classic, you brought the dough dude.
Posted by Bham4Tide
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:04 pm to
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Why does Alabama claim som many national titles



Nice.

Posted by nc14
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:06 pm to
Someone is ate up with Bama today but it is so discreet that I doubt anyone will notice.
Posted by GregAl
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:08 pm to


LINK

Even if we claim one that might be questionable, we have been cheated out of others.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:08 pm to
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So how many do you say they have?


I think 9 is a reasonable claim.

That gives credit to all of Bama's AP, UPI and BCS titles with the exception of 1973 which is a ridiculous claim IMO. Bama and Notre Dame were both undefeated and played in the Sugar Bowl. Notre Dame won. It just isn't right to claim a share of that title. In fact it is so fricked up it changed the way NCs are named.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:10 pm to
Okay, nine it is. No need to worry yourselves sick any longer over these obviously petty matters. And in the spirit of the season, go felines, all breeds of you.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:12 pm to
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That gives credit to all of Bama's AP, UPI and BCS titles with the exception of 1973 which is a ridiculous claim IMO. Bama and Notre Dame were both undefeated and played in the Sugar Bowl. Notre Dame won. It just isn't right to claim a share of that title. In fact it is so fricked up it changed the way NCs are named.


Then stop claiming 1957. Getting a free pass from having to play in a bowl?
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