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re: Jim Harbaugh or Nick Saban?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:52 am to lsupride87
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:52 am to lsupride87
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The NFL is evidence Harbaugh is proven better there.
With a loaded roster. Let's not pretend that Harbaugh stepped into a situation akin to the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Harbaugh had a competent QB, two solid RBs in Dixon and Gore, two good WRs in Crabtree and Ginn, as well as Vernon Davis at TE. He also had Ahmad Brooks and Patrick Willis quarterbacking his defense at the linebacker position.
That was a roster that had All-Pro talent at many key positions.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:52 am to lsupride87
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Please dont tell me you think LSU and Stanford are comparable
From the time Saban got to LSU and the time Harbaugh got to Stanford, they were pretty comparable. Obviously LSU was still the better job but Saban had to build the program from the ground up just like Harbaugh did.
Also, Saban had a shite NFL roster with the Dolphins. Harbaugh has one of the most talented teams in the NFL.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:52 am to RollTide1987
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I can point to Saban's 4 national championships to prove he is a better coach. You can point to Harbaugh's performance at Stanford as well as his 3 straight NFC Championship appearances to prove that he is a better coach.
These are so different that you can't use them to say one is better. You can just say they are comparable in terms of being elite coaches.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:53 am to Henry Jones Jr
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From the time Saban got to LSU and the time Harbaugh got to Stanford, they were pretty comparable. Obviously LSU was still the better job but Saban had to build the program from the ground up just like Harbaugh did.
this is not true at all
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:53 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Saban had to build the program from the ground up just like Harbaugh did.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:54 am to cas4t
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this is not true at all
So Curley Hallman did some things good so it wasn't too hard on Saban then? Your program has Nick Saban to thank for all of your success over the past decade and a half.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:54 am to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Welp, on this note I think it is time I go to lunch
From the time Saban got to LSU and the time Harbaugh got to Stanford, they were pretty comparable. Obviously LSU was still the better job but Saban had to build the program from the ground up just like Harbaugh did.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:55 am to Henry Jones Jr
Dinardo was coach before Saban
You really don't know what you're talking about
You really don't know what you're talking about
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:56 am to lsupride87
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If one athlete is the current 100m champion in college, but an up and comer has had better times in high school than the current champion, am I asinine to think he will be better when he runs the college 100m?
No. But show me an instance in high school (meaning the college game) where Harbaugh beat Saban's "times." When Saban left for the NFL he had a national championship under his belt. What did Harbaugh have?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:56 am to Henry Jones Jr
quote:There was a guy in between buddy. Just let it be known you are saying rebuilding LSU is the same as making Stanford a top 5 team
So Curley Hallman did some things good so it wasn't too hard on Saban then? Your program has Nick Saban to thank for all of your success over the past decade and a half.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:57 am to craigbiggio
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Dinardo was coach before Saban
You really don't know what you're talking about
Guess not
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:57 am to lsupride87
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No, we are asking who you think is better.
I don't know what to tell you if you can't understand past accomplishments as the biggest factor to decide who is better. Saban's 4NC's and a half dozen or so #1 recruiting classes should be enough. Saban is also a leader in other factors like one of the highest graduation rates, putting players in the NFL, and good control over off field issues. What else do you look at? How would you decide? Harbough was successful in the PAC12. Great but no NC's. He is pretty successful in the NFL too? No recruiting but OK fine. Now who is better? Sorry, but you are a fricking idiot if you say Harbaugh. They say to continue arguing with an idiot is stupid so that's all I got for this thread.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:57 am to RollTide1987
quote:At mid tier coaching, Harbaugh beat Sabans "times". At the Nfl, Harbaugh beat Sabans "times". So I think Harbaugh would beat his "times" at tier 1 college coaching too
No. But show me an instance in high school (meaning the college game) where Harbaugh beat Saban's "times." When Saban left for the NFL he had a national championship under his belt. What did Harbaugh have?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:58 am to lsupride87
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Just let it be known you are saying rebuilding LSU is the same as making Stanford a top 5 team
Just like people are saying Harbaugh is a better coach because of his NFL success when he's had a loaded roster his entire time there while Saban had mediocre talent at best at the Dolphins.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:01 pm to bama1959
quote:If Harbaugh had 13 years at a power school I would be fine using accomplishments to say who is better. But he currently has ZERO
I don't know what to tell you if you can't understand past accomplishments as the biggest factor to decide who is better. Saban's 4NC's and a half dozen or so #1 recruiting classes should be enough.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:03 pm to lsupride87
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At mid tier coaching, Harbaugh beat Sabans "times"
You can't compare. Saban took over an MSU program that had been decimated by NCAA sanctions as well as had to deal with a powerful Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan. But, even if you want to, Saban finished with a 34-24-1 record at Michigan State while Harbaugh finished with a 29-21 record at Stanford. Considering Saban struggled with sanctions in the first three or four years of his career at MSU, I'd say those records are fairly comparable.
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At the Nfl, Harbaugh beat Sabans "times".
Once again. You can't compare. Saban took over a talentless Miami Dolphins team while Harbaugh was handed the keys to one of the most talented rosters in the NFL.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:04 pm to lsupride87
Keep in mind CJH success at the NFL level still isn't what teams want. The goal is to win the championship.
Based on history it is a safe assumption that know body would have done what Saban has done the last 6 or 7 years except Saban. The Bear also would be in the running and a small case could be made for Pete Carroll. CJH isn't not in the discussion at this time. Though he is clearly one of the 4 or 5 best coaches in the country today. Hopefully he'll win some hardware to support what is otherwise only a theory.
Based on history it is a safe assumption that know body would have done what Saban has done the last 6 or 7 years except Saban. The Bear also would be in the running and a small case could be made for Pete Carroll. CJH isn't not in the discussion at this time. Though he is clearly one of the 4 or 5 best coaches in the country today. Hopefully he'll win some hardware to support what is otherwise only a theory.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:05 pm to bama1959
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Sorry, but you are a fricking idiot if you say Harbaugh. They say to continue arguing with an idiot is stupid so that's all I got for this thread.
So you agree you were a "fricking idiot" if you said Bear was better than Rockne? And you were a "fricking idiot" if you said Saban was better than Spurier? And you were a "fricking idiot" if you said Manning was better than Marino. And you were a "fricking idiot" if you said Rodgers was better than FavrePosted on 12/18/14 at 12:06 pm to Tigerman97
quote:Urban as well is in the discussion
Based on history it is a safe assumption that know body would have done what Saban has done the last 6 or 7 years except Saban.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:07 pm to Tigerman97
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small case could be made for Pete Carrol
Just a "small case" for the two time national champion and Super Bowl champion head coach? 
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