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re: DB position change thread
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:22 pm to joeyb147
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:22 pm to joeyb147
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fricking typical. Ford gets embarrassed on a simple fake to the outside on a go pattern and it's Mincy's fault.
Wasn't a go pattern. It was a skinny post that split Cover 2. When Whitehead followed White's sideline curl pattern, it was over. That is why Lane Kiffin threw up his hands up. Assuming there was even an average throw, that is going for a major completion unless Ford makes an All Pro caliber play.
Look at the big picture gif, even if Ford plays that over the top, Amari is sprinting inside him with no help and he runs in the endzone.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 3:24 pm
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:42 pm to GenesChin
quote:Sorry if this was alreddy said but the star is not eliminated. It's the nickleback in Boom's scheemes. Boom runs a multiple D system now which includes the 4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5, and the 3-3-5.
the elimination of an entire DB position
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:45 pm to ellitor
Star isn't spelled Nickelback E.
Also, the percentage of snaps on the field drastically changes so that we won't have 4 guys lined up for "Nickelback"
Also, the percentage of snaps on the field drastically changes so that we won't have 4 guys lined up for "Nickelback"
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:47 pm to AUtigR24
quote:He hated being as far off the line as safeties are and was very uncomfortable there in practice in Spring of 2013. He could have played as bad if not worse at safety than the guys we have at safety.
I think he could of been awesome at safety
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:51 pm to GenesChin
quote:possibly but whatever you call it it's still a big part of Boom's system. Boom used his version of the nickel or star in 70% of his D's plays at Florida per people who cover Florida.
Also, the percentage of snaps on the field drastically changes so that we won't have 4 guys lined up for "Nickelback"
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:58 pm to GenesChin
quote:And Ford played it awful. He has the boundary side.
It was a skinny post that split Cover 2.
quote:I'm not sure why you keeping bringing Whitehead into this because he did his job as the field safety in a Cover 2. Ford had less area to cover and still bit, HARD, towards the sidelines and he wasn't good enough to recover. Ford ends up closer to the sidelines than Cooper ever was because he played it like shite. He should have used the boundary as another defender instead of trying to jump the out/curl/corner route. Now some people think he's good enough to be on an island by himself when a simple fake made him look like a fool.
When Whitehead followed White's sideline curl pattern, it was over.
quote:He wouldn't need an "All Pro caliber play" if he didn't frick it up in the first place.
Assuming there was even an average throw, that is going for a major completion unless Ford makes an All Pro caliber play.
In the space where Cooper runs 10 yards, Ford goes from at the "E" in the SEC, to all the way down just above the "0" in 20. Leaving the whole fricking middle of the field open.
quote:Jesus, seriously? So a DB needs help on every deep pass? These guys are supposed to make plays by themselves. That's definitely what a corner does most of the time. If Ford doesn't take himself out of position, he's running right with Amari instead of eating his dust, giving himself a chance to make a play on the ball. If he stays near the hash mark, he has a chance to make a play on anything over the middle. If he stays near the hash mark, he has a chance to make a play on anything towards the sidelines. Not only that, anything towards the sidelines would be a much harder throw for Sims than what he allowed on that play.
Look at the big picture gif, even if Ford plays that over the top, Amari is sprinting inside him with no help and he runs in the endzone.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:32 pm to joeyb147
I am not saying Ford would be an "elite" CB but just pointing out that while he fugged up on this play it is unlikely that the outcome would have changed
Not saying Whitehead didn't make the right call. I'm just saying that This play was designed to attack the boundary safety and with Cooper it is an almost surefire TD even if Ford played that properly. It was a beautiful play call to take advantage.
This is a coaching issue + you are taking this play out of the context of the game. At this point in the game, Alabama had thrown about 5-6 passes to teh boundary while attempting 0 deep passes over the middles and only 1 intermediate post pattern for about 10-15 yds.
Ford bit on what he had seen all day and the route Cooper was running all day.
That was a pretty aggressive move by Cooper and the mistake is only so evident due to his ability.
No but on a designed route to attack the seam between deep 2nds on the field does. Even if Ford played it right, the lack of a jam means that Amari Cooper was going to be on the inside unless Ford sold out on the post. Cooper is too fast and good to not get that. With White taking Whitehead and THerezie with him on his route, Cooper has Ford on an Island with 20 yards of free space in front.
Not too many CBs or S that I would take in that situation to make a play.
Only reason Ford would have had a chace on this play was it was a shitty ball.
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I'm not sure why you keeping bringing Whitehead into this because he did his job as the field safety in a Cover 2.
Not saying Whitehead didn't make the right call. I'm just saying that This play was designed to attack the boundary safety and with Cooper it is an almost surefire TD even if Ford played that properly. It was a beautiful play call to take advantage.
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He should have used the boundary as another defender instead of trying to jump the out/curl/corner route
This is a coaching issue + you are taking this play out of the context of the game. At this point in the game, Alabama had thrown about 5-6 passes to teh boundary while attempting 0 deep passes over the middles and only 1 intermediate post pattern for about 10-15 yds.
Ford bit on what he had seen all day and the route Cooper was running all day.
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Now some people think he's good enough to be on an island by himself when a simple fake made him look like a fool.
That was a pretty aggressive move by Cooper and the mistake is only so evident due to his ability.
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So a DB needs help on every deep pass?
No but on a designed route to attack the seam between deep 2nds on the field does. Even if Ford played it right, the lack of a jam means that Amari Cooper was going to be on the inside unless Ford sold out on the post. Cooper is too fast and good to not get that. With White taking Whitehead and THerezie with him on his route, Cooper has Ford on an Island with 20 yards of free space in front.
Not too many CBs or S that I would take in that situation to make a play.
Only reason Ford would have had a chace on this play was it was a shitty ball.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:27 pm to GenesChin
Cover 2 - he can't bite on that. Better to give up the deep out then to get smoked on the bomb. Horrible coverage to leave Cooper one on one with a safety. I would agree that someone else was also out of position because Ford didn't have any help. However, he was breaking way too quickly. Dude got smoked.
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