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re: Poll: What tanked our hoops program?
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:25 pm to MIZ_COU
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:25 pm to MIZ_COU
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Ya know, like a coke addict. Who liked to snort it off the player's girlfriends chests.
Quin was basically Larry Brown without the championship. Brown knocked up a cheerleader and was banging 3 wives of very well respected doctors in Lawrence, lol.
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:27 pm to surgicalvenom
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Sometimes a coach and school just come together, and that was Mizzou and MA. Just like Mizzou and Pinkel. It's a damn shame he left. Could you imagine both programs being really relevant together?
I think the reason it fit so well was because he could actually coach and the bigger part was that from my view point, the fans embraced MA totally. They totally backed this guy when he was here. That's what Arky fans don't understand when the topic comes up. Mizzou fans felt that MA turned his back on a program that believed in him totally.
Haith? I don't think fans really totally embraced him. He wasn't a good x's and o's coach and enherited good players from MA. That and I think people were still miffed about MA's leaving.
I still think Kim can get the job done. He needs to add pieces to a young team. There are flashes. But there are "freshman" mistakes that set them back.
If MA were still here, coupled with Pinkels FB program and success, it would truly be epic.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:36 pm to TigerBornTigerBred
Interdasting.
And damn you know a lot about kansas
And damn you know a lot about kansas
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:59 am to MIZ_COU
Mostly Haith, but a small portion mike anderson. Anderson left haith with a stocked senior class and phil. For being a "great recruiter", haith was awful at recruiting. He was a horrible game manager. Definitely Haith's mess
Quit blaming Alden.
The Quin hire was viewed as a home run at the time. A long time assistant under the greatest CBB coach in history, a true Coach K product. Had Coach K's backing, no reason to doubt it at the time. It didn't work like that, but hindsight is 20/20.
Haith was a terrible hire, but everyone was already hired since anderson left so late.
KA was a good backup plan. I was in support of the Marshall or bust. Still think he is the 2nd best coach in CBB right now behind Coach K. Didn't matter who we had coaching this season, we all knew it would be bad. KA has done alot of right things since coming here. Got the pinnacle of recruiting with Fulford, which will put us in the picture with every elite recruit out of Huntington Prep. No way would we have gotten Teki, nor would Thomas Bryant even be on our radar.
Do I hate the way we are struggling, yes.Will it get bettter, also yes
Quit blaming Alden.
The Quin hire was viewed as a home run at the time. A long time assistant under the greatest CBB coach in history, a true Coach K product. Had Coach K's backing, no reason to doubt it at the time. It didn't work like that, but hindsight is 20/20.
Haith was a terrible hire, but everyone was already hired since anderson left so late.
KA was a good backup plan. I was in support of the Marshall or bust. Still think he is the 2nd best coach in CBB right now behind Coach K. Didn't matter who we had coaching this season, we all knew it would be bad. KA has done alot of right things since coming here. Got the pinnacle of recruiting with Fulford, which will put us in the picture with every elite recruit out of Huntington Prep. No way would we have gotten Teki, nor would Thomas Bryant even be on our radar.
Do I hate the way we are struggling, yes.Will it get bettter, also yes
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:12 am to JesusQuintana
The hiring of Frank Haith.
It was just weird.
It was just weird.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:59 pm to JesusQuintana
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A The SEC
B Mike Anderson
C Frank Haith
D Kim Anderson
E Mike Alden
All of the above, to varying degrees:
A: 30%
B: 5%
C: 45%
D: 5%
E: 15%
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:00 pm to 5thTiger
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Quit blaming Alden.
He has hired a coke addict, a guy that bailed when the next job came calling, an all-around awful hire, and an AARP member. It's at least partially his fault.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:43 pm to 5thTiger
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KA has done alot of right things since coming here. Got the pinnacle of recruiting with Fulford, which will put us in the picture with every elite recruit out of Huntington Prep. No way would we have gotten Teki, nor would Thomas Bryant even be on our radar.
Couldn't agree more. It was expected that this year's team would struggle considering the state Haith left the roster in. The fact that we're even in the conversation with some of these 4 and 5 star prospects gives me reason for optimism with KA.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:47 am to BreakawayZou83
Hindsight is 20/20; pretty sure Alden would have passed on Synder, Suitcase Mike and Frank had he known in advance what would have happened.
IMO here's the problem & how we got to where we are;
Suitcase Mike knew he was leaving and didn't recruit & that set us back at least 2 years probably more.
Frank came in and wanted to make an immediate impact plus he had to fill out the roster that lost a lot of seniors so he took on a lot of transfers; some good, some not so good. Not sure Frank was a great choice but Alden had to hire someone and Painter just used us to get a raise at Purdue. Alden's options were very limited.
Mike Dixon couldn't keep his Johnson in his pants and got booted. He was going to be an BIG piece in Frank's 2nd year. With a better 2nd year who knows how the recruiting would have gone for Frank.
Frank jumped ship to avoid a huge letdown after PP when to the NBA and let's face it, we didn't have a lot of talent based on little to no recruiting and Frank KNEW his seat was getting hot. PLUS Frank couldn't help us get out of the 1st round of the NCAAs.
One thing led to another and that led to another. I think KA will be good in time but he has to pretty much rebuild from the ground up and I think he has some young talent but no experience.
Mizzou BB is TBD.
IMO here's the problem & how we got to where we are;
Suitcase Mike knew he was leaving and didn't recruit & that set us back at least 2 years probably more.
Frank came in and wanted to make an immediate impact plus he had to fill out the roster that lost a lot of seniors so he took on a lot of transfers; some good, some not so good. Not sure Frank was a great choice but Alden had to hire someone and Painter just used us to get a raise at Purdue. Alden's options were very limited.
Mike Dixon couldn't keep his Johnson in his pants and got booted. He was going to be an BIG piece in Frank's 2nd year. With a better 2nd year who knows how the recruiting would have gone for Frank.
Frank jumped ship to avoid a huge letdown after PP when to the NBA and let's face it, we didn't have a lot of talent based on little to no recruiting and Frank KNEW his seat was getting hot. PLUS Frank couldn't help us get out of the 1st round of the NCAAs.
One thing led to another and that led to another. I think KA will be good in time but he has to pretty much rebuild from the ground up and I think he has some young talent but no experience.
Mizzou BB is TBD.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:34 pm to MIZ_COU
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And damn you know a lot about kansas
My Dad has two beaker friends and one of them told me.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:36 pm to JesusQuintana
F. Fans and their support or lack thereof.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:36 pm to JesusQuintana
F. Fans and their support or lack thereof.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:37 pm to BreakawayZou83
And none of it is your, because you are at every game. ..right breakaway
Posted on 12/25/14 at 11:21 pm to Bike Shorts
How much different would this team look if we had, was it Price that was kicked off? Was just thinking about that today and our lack of any skill underneath.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 11:29 pm to reedus23
Price was a cancer just as Ross, Clarkson, Brown all were. We went from having a truly unselfish once in a lifetime team that got bounced early to yard ball BS. Once again Debbie it's called rebuilding.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 8:30 am to BreakawayZou83
It's been the confluence of a lot of things.
To me the biggest factors in where we are right now was MA's failure to recruit anyone his last season here. The terrible roster imbalance he left was a big part of what scared off better candidates than Haith. Haith was under the gun from the moment he was announced as coach, and I'm sure he didn't feel he could bite the necessary rebuilding bullet, so he went the transfer route to keep things afloat.
Then the whole Miami mess happened, which surely hurt his efforts to recruit HS talent-and whether that was the case or not, his recruiting failure on top of what MA did his last year here left us where we're at today. KA had no choice but to bite the bullet on the rebuilding, and he might have done that any way. The thing that's killed us the last few years is the lack of continuity in the roster. Now we have a roster completely lacking in experience and knowing how to play together. But there are signs lately they are coming together a bit.
Patience is necessary, but patience is in short supply among the fan base, for whatever reason.
To me the biggest factors in where we are right now was MA's failure to recruit anyone his last season here. The terrible roster imbalance he left was a big part of what scared off better candidates than Haith. Haith was under the gun from the moment he was announced as coach, and I'm sure he didn't feel he could bite the necessary rebuilding bullet, so he went the transfer route to keep things afloat.
Then the whole Miami mess happened, which surely hurt his efforts to recruit HS talent-and whether that was the case or not, his recruiting failure on top of what MA did his last year here left us where we're at today. KA had no choice but to bite the bullet on the rebuilding, and he might have done that any way. The thing that's killed us the last few years is the lack of continuity in the roster. Now we have a roster completely lacking in experience and knowing how to play together. But there are signs lately they are coming together a bit.
Patience is necessary, but patience is in short supply among the fan base, for whatever reason.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:15 pm to seaniec04
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Price was a cancer just as Ross, Clarkson, Brown all were. We went from having a truly unselfish once in a lifetime team that got bounced early to yard ball BS. Once again Debbie it's called rebuilding.
Dude, I ain't saying the Price that was a cancer. I 100% agree he had to go. I'm saying that type of player without the issues. An upperclassman. A big in the middle. Of course, if he didn't have all of that baggage, he probably never would have left Louisville.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:55 pm to reedus23
If we had Jones this team would be different. Not a conference contender but a fringe ncaa team. Especially if Cam would have sucked it up and bought in. Brown should have went pro, his dad is terminally ill, Clarkson needed to stay IMO but it is what it is
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