Poll: What tanked our hoops program?

You forgot an option, the Snyder era.

I understand peoples lack of desire to watch and go to games right now, but the level of impatience and fatalistic attitude by the fans is unfortunate.

We're in the midst of a total program overhaul from top to bottom.

People should be able to recognize that what is going on here is a positive. It's like when you're sore after a good workout, or when you're suffering through cleaning the house. It sucks but it's for better ends.

This program is not spiraling downward, it is moving upward.

We have real talent here with JW3, Gant, Teki, and Namon. Wes Clark and a few others can do good with the right people around them.

This team has a real chance to be very different come January, which is all the more reason to not be so negative.

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I understand peoples lack of desire to watch and go to games right now, but the level of impatience and fatalistic attitude by the fans is unfortunate.

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What I think you're missing, at least for me, is that it's not something that happened just over night. Hell, didn't even just happen with Haith, much less just with how this season has gone. While it has been far from all bad, it sure seems like it's been a down hill slide for quite some time. Probably just me, but not a matter of patience or not. It's been over a decade in the making.

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People should be able to recognize that what is going on here is a positive. It's like when you're sore after a good workout, or when you're suffering through cleaning the house. It sucks but it's for better ends.

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I think most people understand what's going on. Most people, including myself, understand it's going to take years. I just hope the house is, in fact clean when done. The thing that makes it tough to get excited right now (besides the fact that the product is hard to watch) is that you are cleaning and cleaning and cleaning, but you don't know if you're actually accomplishing anything. Hope the team finds success before that apathy sets in more than it already has.

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This program is not spiraling downward, it is moving upward.

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I think the better description is has hit rock bottom, so all it can do is move up. We don't know yet if KA can, in fact, move it upward. So far, the style of play we were all told we would enjoy watching even in losses hasn't shown up. The recruiting has been meh outside of Teki. Like I said, he should and will have years to get it going upward, but I haven't seen it yet.

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We have real talent here with JW3, Gant, and Namon. Wes Clark and a few others can do good with the right people around them.

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JW3 has his strengths but his game definitely has its holes too. Gant...I don't know how any determination can be made at this point. Wright...he does show glimpses. Clark...sneaky suspicion he doesn't last all 4 years here. I don't know why. Just a gut feeling. Teki is the real talent on the team. How long is he here though? Maybe 3 years if we're lucky I guess.

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This team has a real chance to be very different come January, which is all the more reason to not be so negative.

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Ummmm, that's 2 weeks away. What? 3 games? 4 games if you include Lipscomb? Of which we'll probably lose to Xavier, Illinois and OSU. No, this team isn't going to be much more different than what we have seen for the last month and a half.

I do hope everything you say works out. I hope there is excitement about the program again some day. Until then, I don't even know if it's negativity. I think the growing feeling is, hmm, oh well, just don't care. Hopefully that can be changed and you can tell us "I told ya so." I would be more than happy to hear those words.

E. Brought in B. And then C. And then D.

So, E.

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During the Norm Stewart era Missouri recruited and won with at least some local players. It felt like OUR team.

Every hire from Norm through Kim Anderson purposely avoided local players. With rare exceptions they were vagabond coaches and vagabond players, all here for the sole purpose of moving on to greener pastures when the opportunity presented itself.

They didn't give a shite about Missouri basketball. The fans finally didn't either.

"The SEC??? Really has me scratching my head. I thought it was an opportunity for Mizzou to exert itself in basketball and be a top 3 team year in and year out. Instead the program has regressed light years. Being middle of the pack in the SEC is pitiful."





This is the kicker for me. Yeah, we don't have an elite BB history, and certainly not a blue blood, no NC or final fours, but a pretty respectful and decent hoops history. We came from a much better bb conference (top to bottom) than the SEC, who actually cared about basketball. Even in our "average" years we should be in the top half of the SEC.

Alden fricked it up with the Norm "retirement", passed up Bill Self for Snyder and continued to hire coaches that wasn't a good fit for one reason or another. Kim is the perfect fit for obvious reasons, but as stated before, the jury is still out on him.

As also stated before on here, I'm fearful if Alden is still around when Pinkel retires, and/or if we need to hire another bb coach. I like Alden for everything else he has done outside the two major sports, and yes I know he hired Pinkel, but his record has me worried.

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Mike Anderson. He should never have left. Everything fit when he was here. He started something and failed to finish it. It so far shows the green pasture on the other side of the fence is just an illusion. Mike recruited well here. He was just one or two recruits away from having a team that could make a serious run in the tourny. But Arky came calling and the rest is history "Suitcase Mike" can't seem to get it on the tracks in Arky now. He messed up a good thing.

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Sometimes a coach and school just come together, and that was Mizzou and MA. Just like Mizzou and Pinkel. It's a damn shame he left. Could you imagine both programs being really relevant together?

It was a combination of things. The new arena with new pricing and seating arrangements pissed off some long time supporters.

QS was the most celebrated young coach in college BBall. He self destructed. His bringing in RC cost him Rush who went to KS. AD's will allow a coach a risky player and if that player works out they will approve another. With the RC blow up Alden wouldn't take a chance on Rush. The probation and QS problems probably cost MIZZOU Hansborogh.(sp) Anderson brought the program back but every off season was out interviewing and eventually alienated the fans. He didn't recruit his last season and MIZZOU missed out on Porter when Anderson left. Haith did a better job than given credit for but having the NCAA accusations come out virtually as soon as he was hired cost him in recruiting and also alienated an already skeptical fan base. His last two teams were competitive but excruciating to watch. His player off the field problems was the straw that broke the camels back. Add it all together and there has been instability and unrest in and with the program. MIZZOU missed out on 3 NBA first round picks who certainly would have made the program better and possibly attracted better players. Side note Anderson chose not to recruit any of the Zeller boys. I am certain Kim Anderson will right the ship but it won't happen overnight and fans need to be realistic with their expectations.

Quin isnt a bad coach. He was a cocaine addict while he was here.

Mike Anderson was a very good hire.

Haith was a horrible hire.

Kim Anderson was a bad hire. He may turn out to be a good coach. But it was a bad hire.

So, I think the majority of the fault lies with Alden. But some of it isn't his fault. You can't predict a guys going to be a Cokehead. He should've absolutely seen the signs of Haith's ultimate failure. Horrible hire.

And with Kim Anderson, he backed himself into a corner. He was Marshall or bust. And we busted.