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NSIAP - UAB cutting football program may end up costing the school more

Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:25 pm
Posted by TiptonInSC
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:25 pm
Financially than if they had kept it.

Long but interesting read.

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Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:26 pm to
Oh no
Posted by ehole
in a house
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:26 pm to
uab board
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:26 pm to
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NSIAP - UAB cutting football program may end up costing the school more

What school? We all know there is only one school benefiting from this
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:27 pm to
Yes. Thank god UAB is now out of the way. Time to really ramp up this college football domination.
Posted by ForeverLSU02
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:29 pm to
Posted by ErnestTBassmaster
Bird Whistle, Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:30 pm to
No way. Another UAB thread from a poster who heretofore had zero interest in UAB.
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:31 pm to
Cut to the chase....
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Why does this matter? Because it puts to lie the ludicrous notion that if the Alabamas of the college football world keep making more and more money—and potentially spend more and more of it on elite players—UAB and its ilk will have to drop the sport...
Nonsense.
We wouldn’t expect a mom-and-pop store that has grown from $1.4 million to $6.5 million in annual revenues (which is what the typical school in the bottom quartile of the FBS has experienced) to go belly up just because a big box store across town grew from $24 million to $58 million (what the typical upper quartile FBS school has experienced) in the same time frame, nor would we expect the mom-and-pop to keep pace with what the big box spends on marketing and employee bonuses. Why would UAB, or any other mid-major football school, be different? The Blazers don’t compete against the Crimson Tide or the rest of the SEC for the very best high school recruits; they compete against the rest of C-USA, against schools that choose to spend about as much on football as they do.
You don’t need to outrun a hungry bear. You just need to outrun the guy sprinting next to you. (Moreover, in UAB’s case, it should do just fine against its C-USA competition just by positioning itself as a great place to transfer in the event that Nick Saban decides you’re not good enough to break second-string on Alabama’s depth chart.)
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On a larger scale, this same sort of hide-the-profits accounting is—in my experience—all too common in college sports. It’s the kind of financial trickery that allows a swimming-in-the-black industry enjoying billions more in revenues than expenses to claim that more than 80 percent of FBS schools lose money on sports, the better to seek exemptions (via the federal courts or Congress) from the laws (antitrust or labor) that require all other entertainment industries to pay their talent free-market wages. Whether the school is trying to fool outsiders with its funny numbers or just managed to fool itself is hard to say, but one thing is certain: bad accounting drives bad decisions.

Ask yourself a simple question: if things are really so tough, if UAB is the canary in the coal mine, so to speak, why are so many schools seeking to start football programs, or trying to move up to Division I?

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This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted by bobsacamano
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:33 pm to
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Ask yourself a simple question: if things are really so tough, if UAB is the canary in the coal mine, so to speak, why are so many schools seeking to start football programs, or trying to move up to Division I?



Why are so many schools starting useless majors or lacross teams? They think it'll help convince some 18 year old rube to take out student loans to go there.
Posted by thefloydian
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:33 pm to
Auburn board.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:35 pm to
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why are so many schools seeking to start football programs, or trying to move up to Division I?


A lot of it is due to the poorly conceived yet popular notion that a football program creates an identity for a school (generally a commute school like UAB or Georgia State) that will resonate with students and alums and create a stronger bond with the school. This will in turn churn up more donations to the athletic department and the school in the future as alums will feel more connected to the University. In addition they think that it will give them a new public presence across the country with which to sell their University.

I think, based on the majority of new programs in the past 10 years, that these are very, very flawed and unrealistic expectations, but those are the reasons why places like Georgia State, UTSA, UAB, etc want Division 1 football.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:56 pm to
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A lot of it is due to the poorly conceived yet popular notion that a football program creates an identity for a school (generally a commute school like UAB or Georgia State) that will resonate with students and alums and create a stronger bond with the school.

It's so poorly conceived and yet it works so well. It's ridiculous to deny. I would almost chalk up an AD football budget as a marketing expense in the current environment. It's great at bringing in students. It's part of the college atmosphere that schools are selling. And it works.
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:56 pm to
Free UAB from UA BoT and you wouldn't have to defend any of the nonsense.

Also, then they would have to pay their own bills and take responsibility for decisions.

Why are some UA fans so against this?
Posted by Old Money
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:56 pm to
UAT board
Posted by auisssa
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:02 pm to
UAB
Posted by APIEE
Member since Nov 2010
483 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:13 pm to
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UAB


Why is that? Is it a function of a reasoned choice about what is best for the public, the city of Birmingham, and the state of Alabama, or is it just a vestige of an era when UAB didn't have 19,000 students and didn't employ 23,000 people? This is a public university and it ought to be run for the public's benefit.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:20 pm to
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This is a public university and it ought to be run for the public's benefit.


Good point....I would like you to submit Auburn's athletic budget for 2015 for our review. We want to review your football related expenditures. We think you are budgeting too much for that defensive coordinator position.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:28 pm to
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:32 pm to
I'm glad UT- Chattanooga hasn't ended UT- Knoxvilles football program. It would show major insecurities on their part.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:32 pm to
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Free UAB from UA BoT and you wouldn't have to defend any of the nonsense.


Please feel free to name one instance where a state university system has spun off one of it's entities, because fans of an athletic rival didn't like how they were run. Thanks in advance.

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Also, then they would have to pay their own bills and take responsibility for decisions.



This is already the case.

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