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can't imagine being Jeff Long right now..
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:38 pm
Knowing it is his face that has to announce those chosen and explaining why Baylor (who beat TCU head to head) or TCU (who has a better strength of schedule) or OSU (who obliterated Wisky) or..... is left out.
And is he to list the other bowls as well? Dang, the hate will be enormous!
And is he to list the other bowls as well? Dang, the hate will be enormous!
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Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:42 pm to Razorback Reverend
I'm curious to hear Alvarez, since Bert was the reason they couldn't win the big games.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 11:16 pm to Razorback Reverend
It'd be easy for me ... I'd just leave out Fla St. ... Undefeated or not ... Seriously.
Alabama, Oregon, TCU, Baylor ... Ohio St. just has way too easy of a schedule & conference imo. Even though they blew out Wisky, they lost to VaTech. Fla St. just isn't a top 4 team - undefeated, yes, but barely, & against many teams they should've won decidedly, including tonight against GT. ... I think there should be 8 teams in the playoffs anyway. I don't really consider the deal this year with 4 a true playoff. To have a playoff system without each major conference winner in it is ludicrous to me.
Alabama, Oregon, TCU, Baylor ... Ohio St. just has way too easy of a schedule & conference imo. Even though they blew out Wisky, they lost to VaTech. Fla St. just isn't a top 4 team - undefeated, yes, but barely, & against many teams they should've won decidedly, including tonight against GT. ... I think there should be 8 teams in the playoffs anyway. I don't really consider the deal this year with 4 a true playoff. To have a playoff system without each major conference winner in it is ludicrous to me.
This post was edited on 12/6/14 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 12/6/14 at 11:46 pm to Arkla Missy
8 teams is fine, but this year do you want 2 two loss conference champs as the 7th and 8th teams?
6 is all that is needed this season to solve real conflict. then there is the problem of truly selling the bowl tix if the playoff continues off university stadium sites...
6 is all that is needed this season to solve real conflict. then there is the problem of truly selling the bowl tix if the playoff continues off university stadium sites...
Posted on 12/6/14 at 11:47 pm to Arkla Missy
8 teams is fine, but this year do you want 2 two loss conference champs as the 7th and 8th teams?
6 is all that is needed this season to solve real conflict. then there is the problem of truly selling the bowl tix if the playoff continues off university stadium sites...
6 is all that is needed this season to solve real conflict. then there is the problem of truly selling the bowl tix if the playoff continues off university stadium sites...
Posted on 12/7/14 at 12:12 am to Razorback Reverend
I think it should've been set up as 8 teams to start with. Could not believe they actually did the 4. I don't care so much about the records; if they win their conferences, they should be in. It's pretty obvious W-L records shouldn't be the only factor, or even the most weighted one, for that matter. Strength of conference, strength of schedule, OOC games all should be given equal regard. They'd just have to figure out a way to incorporate some of the bowl games into the system or whatever ...
But here's the deal - if the intent is to truly get a national champion in the fairest, most objective way possible, something is going to have to give because you can't really do it this way - in a 4 game system because, really, there is a strong argument to be made that FSU is not one of the top 4 teams, even though they're undefeated. They're a top 8, but imo, not a top 4, but they'll be in the playoffs over a couple of better teams. ...
To have a legit playoff with more teams to determine a champion fairly, the season would have to be shortened, removing probably 2 OOC games, and the bowl situation would have to be re-worked around it & into it. That would be the most objective way for a national champion to be determined, but since that would mean less $$$$$ for some, that's probably not going to happen. ...
So, all of this is a moot point anyway since the main goal doesn't seem to be finding the most impartial method of getting a champion, but how to make the most money.
Eta - fla st's barely winning tonight over ga tech while everyone else blew away their opponent only makes it clearer to me that FSU isn't a top 4 team - top 6 or 8.
But here's the deal - if the intent is to truly get a national champion in the fairest, most objective way possible, something is going to have to give because you can't really do it this way - in a 4 game system because, really, there is a strong argument to be made that FSU is not one of the top 4 teams, even though they're undefeated. They're a top 8, but imo, not a top 4, but they'll be in the playoffs over a couple of better teams. ...
To have a legit playoff with more teams to determine a champion fairly, the season would have to be shortened, removing probably 2 OOC games, and the bowl situation would have to be re-worked around it & into it. That would be the most objective way for a national champion to be determined, but since that would mean less $$$$$ for some, that's probably not going to happen. ...
So, all of this is a moot point anyway since the main goal doesn't seem to be finding the most impartial method of getting a champion, but how to make the most money.
Eta - fla st's barely winning tonight over ga tech while everyone else blew away their opponent only makes it clearer to me that FSU isn't a top 4 team - top 6 or 8.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 1:29 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:56 am to Razorback Reverend
I think it's simpler, now.
Be true to the rules and championship games. Bama, Ducks, Noles and OSU.
The Big12 changed their bylaws on spot when declaring two champions therefore cut them down and leave out Baylor and TCU even though Baylor certainly deserves to be in the game just as the rules state.
Be true to the rules and championship games. Bama, Ducks, Noles and OSU.
The Big12 changed their bylaws on spot when declaring two champions therefore cut them down and leave out Baylor and TCU even though Baylor certainly deserves to be in the game just as the rules state.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 2:02 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 6:53 am to SunHog
I agree with sunhog. The Big whatever put themselves in this position. Is it fair to Baylor or TCU? No. But, Ohio State won't their conference out right. No "Co champ" non sense. The conference champions deserve in.
Now if it were me, I would say frick off to Ohio state and FSU just because I hate their programs.
Now if it were me, I would say frick off to Ohio state and FSU just because I hate their programs.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:55 am to Razorback Reverend
Until there's a real playoff, there will be controversy. There needs to be at least 8 teams and possibly 12 with the top 4 teams getting a bye...just my opinion.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:01 am to Porky
8 would be hard to sell unless they do home field advantage to the top 4 teams.
My top 4 today is Bama, Oregon, FSU, and Baylor.
People like Ohio State, but I think Baylor has been more impressive this season, as a whole, than Ohio State has. Baylor and TCU are co-champs, but Baylor won the head to head earlier in the season.
There is a part of me that really thinks Wisconsin took a dive last night to benefit the B1G.
My top 4 today is Bama, Oregon, FSU, and Baylor.
People like Ohio State, but I think Baylor has been more impressive this season, as a whole, than Ohio State has. Baylor and TCU are co-champs, but Baylor won the head to head earlier in the season.
There is a part of me that really thinks Wisconsin took a dive last night to benefit the B1G.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:05 am to Hawgeye
Its weird that the co-champs thing is being used against TCU and Baylor, but was never a problem for the B1G or PAC teams in the past, the way the PAC played everyone else in conference was a positive, but now its a negative for Baylor/TCU.
I think if the names were Texas/OU instead of Baylor/TCU the narrative would be more in line with the past where co-champs didn't matter, and playing everyone else in conference was as difficult or more so in winning a championship than playing in a conference championship game.
Fact is the media wants to see the "big schools" in the play off, not a small private school from north Texas.
I think if the names were Texas/OU instead of Baylor/TCU the narrative would be more in line with the past where co-champs didn't matter, and playing everyone else in conference was as difficult or more so in winning a championship than playing in a conference championship game.
Fact is the media wants to see the "big schools" in the play off, not a small private school from north Texas.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:08 am to DaleDenton
A lot of people are gonna be mad at him, either way. Might as well just make his job as AD easier and put Arkansas in the 4 spot, IMO.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:20 am to Hawgeye
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8 would be hard to sell unless they do home field advantage to the top 4 teams.
Sounds good to me.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:33 am to Arkla Missy
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fla st's barely winning tonight over ga tech while everyone else blew away their opponent only makes it clearer to me that FSU isn't a top 4 team - top 6 or 8.
They're 13-0 ACC champs. Get this crap outta here.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:44 am to Stonehog
Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:47 am to Rig
I do not understand why ESPN sent Dinich, an Indiana Grad and past B1G proponent, to cover the selection committee this weekend.
Wait, yes I do.
Wait, yes I do.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:08 am to Hawgeye
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There is a part of me that really thinks Wisconsin took a dive last night to benefit the B1G
Been saying that since the end of the first quarter last night. It was a complete laydown.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:14 am to Stonehog
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They're 13-0 ACC champs. Get this crap outta here.
Nah, it'll stay. ... They're not one of the top 4 teams in the country. Zero fricks given that they're undefeated, barely. Or "ACC Champs."
Eta - and there should be at least 6 teams. 4 is comical; that's pretty evident. And so are you with your down votes. I used to think you were amusing. Now, I know there is something fundamentally wrong with you. And any time there's another bitch thread about you on the help board begging for your banning, I will support.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 11:25 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:28 am to Arkla Missy
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I don't care so much about the records; if they win their conferences, they should be in
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They're not one of the top 4 teams in the country. Zero fricks given that they're undefeated, barely. Or "ACC Champs."
Make up your mind.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:44 am to Stonehog
ALL major conference champions should be in the playoffs; therefore, there should be more than 4 teams, 6-8, ideally. Very simple. That was my original statement posted several times. If that was the set-up right now, fla state should be in. However, it isn't, and Ohio State & TCU are better teams than FSU. They should finish out the top 4 behind Alabama & Oregon.
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