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Perspective is a funny thing
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:00 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:00 am
Is the only definition of a great team one that wins the National Championship? If so, there have been very few great teams.
Did you know that teams with 2 losses have been named national Champions on 19 occasions and one team with 3 losses has been named a National Champion?
If before the season someone had come on the board and said Georgia will finish 10-2 we would have all jumped on that....yet now we sit and blame Mark Richt for "another mediocre year". Honestly, MOST of the same posters screaming about Richt right now before the season took part in a "Time Capsule" and predicted 3-4 losses. Now that we have a chance to finish 10-2 many of those same posters are complaining about Richt being inferior, instead of lauding him for having a better season than expected.
Had Arkansas beaten Mizzou we would have been thrilled about playing for the SECCG and been saying Richt did a good job this year (Although we would have been disappointed we lost the way we did against Florida/South Carolina). Instead....because another team lost a game we are showing up in huge numbers criticizing Richt.
As for a Bowl? While I would prefer to be playing for the SECCG, we will probably go to a VERY good bowl if we take care of Georgia Tech.
Did you know that teams with 2 losses have been named national Champions on 19 occasions and one team with 3 losses has been named a National Champion?
If before the season someone had come on the board and said Georgia will finish 10-2 we would have all jumped on that....yet now we sit and blame Mark Richt for "another mediocre year". Honestly, MOST of the same posters screaming about Richt right now before the season took part in a "Time Capsule" and predicted 3-4 losses. Now that we have a chance to finish 10-2 many of those same posters are complaining about Richt being inferior, instead of lauding him for having a better season than expected.
Had Arkansas beaten Mizzou we would have been thrilled about playing for the SECCG and been saying Richt did a good job this year (Although we would have been disappointed we lost the way we did against Florida/South Carolina). Instead....because another team lost a game we are showing up in huge numbers criticizing Richt.
As for a Bowl? While I would prefer to be playing for the SECCG, we will probably go to a VERY good bowl if we take care of Georgia Tech.
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:07 am to DawgsLife
Pull my time capsule I think I said we would lost the two we lost win SECCG and be left out of the playoffs haha. Close
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:07 am to DawgsLife
The problem with accepting the record is that before the season, no one knew how bad Carolina and Florida would turn out to be. Those are two awful, awful football teams by anyone's standard, yet UGA lost to them anyways. There is a new standard in college football now, whether you like it or not; you either make the playoff or you don't.
ETA: Georgia will be sitting at home watching MISSOURI play for the SEC title. I think that's gonna irk a lot of fans too.
ETA: Georgia will be sitting at home watching MISSOURI play for the SEC title. I think that's gonna irk a lot of fans too.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 7:10 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:11 am to DawgsLife
I don't really have a bad thing to say about the team/coaches/season. I think they exceeded most people's preseason realistic expecitations given the huge defensive turnover/cluster that happened in the off season.
That being said, the UF loss is what I'm hung up on. It was a baffling embarrassing and inexcusable loss to an inferior opponent. That game derailed our season and put our destiny in another teams hands. It was one of the most poorly played and poorly coached games I've ever watched. Because we decided to not show up to play Florida (how is that even an option given the intensity of that rivalry) we are stuck with the ole "woulda coulda shoulda" and "next year, man, next year is gonna be different" but that is what we say every year.
That being said, the UF loss is what I'm hung up on. It was a baffling embarrassing and inexcusable loss to an inferior opponent. That game derailed our season and put our destiny in another teams hands. It was one of the most poorly played and poorly coached games I've ever watched. Because we decided to not show up to play Florida (how is that even an option given the intensity of that rivalry) we are stuck with the ole "woulda coulda shoulda" and "next year, man, next year is gonna be different" but that is what we say every year.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 7:12 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:22 am to Hobnail
For the life of me I can't understand how we do not come out fired up to play Florida that just baffles me
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:07 am to MSGADawg5988
there are very few great teams...and even fewer great programs...and none of the great programs seem to be able to sustain greatness...UGA is a good program, always has been and always will be
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:12 am to MSGADawg5988
Pretty good! 
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:18 am to DawgsLife
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If before the season someone had come on the board and said Georgia will finish 10-2 we would have all jumped on that.
Georgia is not 11-2 or even 10-2 and might well finish 9-4. We still have remaining steps up the mountain to travel before this discussion holds merit.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:20 am to VADawg
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The problem with accepting the record is that before the season, no one knew how bad Carolina and Florida would turn out to be. Those are two awful, awful football teams by anyone's standard, yet UGA lost to them anyways. There is a new standard in college football now, whether you like it or not; you either make the playoff or you don't.
And nobody thought we would make the playoff. Or, at least MOST on here didn't think we would.
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ETA: Georgia will be sitting at home watching MISSOURI play for the SEC title. I think that's gonna irk a lot of fans too.
Sur it will. It irks me. I'm just not going to run around like my hair is on fire when we did exactly what most people though we would do. Reat the title again. Perspective. Perspective is generally something you gain when looking back. For instance...many thought qwe would lose to South carolina or Florida or both and that one fo those would win the SEC East. While most did not like the thought of losing those two games, they understood and were basically ok with that thought.
With perspective, we know that neither Florida or South Carolina were very good and neither won the division. Therefore, while most on here understood before the season we might lose to those two, nobody knew they would be as bad as they were. Perspective. On the other hand, nobody thought Missouri was going to be very good.
That thought was reinforced by their loss to Indiana and our blow out win against them. However, when you look at their record, and how they have improved, we know they are actually a pretty decent team.....yet, we cannot (or will not) understand them going to the SECCG ahead of us. That is a lack of perspective. Missouri beat the hottest team from the West. Arkansas had shut out...SHUT OUT....two pretty good teams. VERY unusual to shut out a SEC team.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:24 am to DawgsLife
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Did you know that teams with 2 losses have been named national Champions on 19 occasions and one team with 3 losses has been named a National Champion?
Did you know that back in the old days, the polls would announce NC's before the bowl games were played?
In other words, most of those circumstances were a team with 1 loss, got named NC, then lost their bowl for loss number 2.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:24 am to Hobnail
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That being said, the UF loss is what I'm hung up on. It was a baffling embarrassing and inexcusable loss to an inferior opponent. That game derailed our season and put our destiny in another teams hands. It was one of the most poorly played and poorly coached games I've ever watched. Because we decided to not show up to play Florida (how is that even an option given the intensity of that rivalry) we are stuck with the ole "woulda coulda shoulda" and "next year, man, next year is gonna be different" but that is what we say every year.
I understand what you are saying, but I have to disagree. Yes, it was a bad loss. Yes, we should have beaten them. However, fo me, the South Carolina loss was worse on several levels. The main level is that had it not been for a bad holding call negating Gurley's TD run we would have won the game and we would be playing for the SECCG. The Florida game was a bad loss. We came out flat and they jumped on us and we got beat. Shouldn't have happened. We SHOULD be undefeated. but, Missouri lost to Indiana, and Alabama lost to Ole Miss and UCLA lost to Stanford. Sometimes losses like that
happen to everybody. Georgia fans tend to fixate on those losses and make it seem as if Georgia is the only team that this happens to. It happens to everybody.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:26 am to MSGADawg5988
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For the life of me I can't understand how we do not come out fired up to play Florida that just baffles me
They were perceived to be a bad team. They were not as bad as many thought. MOST on here had us winning easily. if we feel that way, why is it so difficult to understand that the team might feel the same way?
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:33 am to deeprig9
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Did you know that back in the old days, the polls would announce NC's before the bowl games were played?
In other words, most of those circumstances were a team with 1 loss, got named NC, then lost their bowl for loss number 2.
Yes, i was aware of that. However, 13 of those 2-3 loss teams were named since 1980, and they were named AFTER the Bowl games.
Here is a disclaimer....these are National Champions named by a major news sources and some of these are not recognized as the true National Champions. However, some of them are also claimed by the schools that were named.
SOME were named by MOST of the National Media. LSU in 2007, for instance was 12-2 and they are recognized by most.
But any way you slice it, a 11-2 team is an excellent team. Yet all we want to do on here is yell, "It's Richt's fault!"
AND, lest we forget, under any circumstance that 2 loss team is still considered the National Champion and a great team.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 8:37 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:41 am to DawgsLife
11-2 is a solid season but it isn't great when teams like Mississippi State (who UGA should never be worse than based on talent alone) are deep in the playoff conversation. Does 10-2 with a Peach Bowl berth against Michigan State or Wisconsin really get you excited?
And no, I didn't think this was a playoff team, but that's not a reason to lower expectations for a team with this much talent.
And no, I didn't think this was a playoff team, but that's not a reason to lower expectations for a team with this much talent.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 8:43 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:50 am to VADawg
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11-2 is a solid season but it isn't great when teams like Mississippi State (who UGA should never be worse than based on talent alone) are deep in the playoff conversation
You realize Mississippi State will also be deep in the playoff while LSU, Ohio State, USCw, Texas etc are all sitting at home, in spite of the fact they all have "better" talent? The Peach Bowl is a major bowl now, didn't you know? it is a part of the Playoff system?
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And no, I didn't think this was a playoff team, but that's not a reason to lower expectations for a team with this much talent.
So, a team you admit you thought was not a very good team should not lower our expectations? We ALL thought the defense would be bad, right? Thinking realistically and using perspective. That's what I am asking for.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:51 am to VADawg
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11-2 is a solid season but it isn't great
Count up how many teams finish at 11-2. (Assuming we do finish there)
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:58 am to DawgsLife
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and been saying Richt did a good job this year
I dont think so Tim
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:59 am to DawgsLife
Yes, I'm well aware the Peach Bowl is a major bowl now. You realize that LSU, OSU, and USCw fans will all feel the exact same way about this season as a lot of us do, right? Go ask them if they will be happy watching four other teams compete for a national title while they're sitting at home. The responses might surprise you!
Also, 11-2 isn't the same at every program. 11-2 is great at places like Missouri, Arkansas, Miss St, Ole Miss, etc. Certain programs should have higher expectations than others. Georgia is one of them.
ETA: For some real entertainment, ask a Texas fan if they're happy with this season.
LSU fans want Miles fired.
USCw fans will want Sarkisian gone after next season.
Texas fans probably want Strong fired today (good coach, needs time but high expectations there).
Ohio State fans are still happy with Meyer, but if he doesn't bring them a title within two years, they'll want him gone.
Also, 11-2 isn't the same at every program. 11-2 is great at places like Missouri, Arkansas, Miss St, Ole Miss, etc. Certain programs should have higher expectations than others. Georgia is one of them.
ETA: For some real entertainment, ask a Texas fan if they're happy with this season.
LSU fans want Miles fired.
USCw fans will want Sarkisian gone after next season.
Texas fans probably want Strong fired today (good coach, needs time but high expectations there).
Ohio State fans are still happy with Meyer, but if he doesn't bring them a title within two years, they'll want him gone.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:06 am to Dawgs9
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and been saying Richt did a good job this year
I dont think so Tim
So, if we had won the SEC East and played for the SECC, after what we all expected, you still wouldn't give richt credit for doing a good job? not surprising. Some will not give him credit for anything good.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:09 am to VADawg
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Yes, I'm well aware the Peach Bowl is a major bowl now. You realize that LSU, OSU, and USCw fans will all feel the exact same way about this season as a lot of us do, right? Go ask them if they will be happy watching four other teams compete for a national title while they're sitting at home. The responses might surprise you!
Nobody is happy about it...yet none of them are calling for their coaches head, either. They all recognize that they are heading in the right direction and are not calling for their coach to be fired.
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Also, 11-2 isn't the same at every program. 11-2 is great at places like Missouri, Arkansas, Miss St, Ole Miss, etc. Certain programs should have higher expectations than others. Georgia is one of them.
11-2 is good at any school in the country. Ask an LSU fan if they would be happy with 11-2. (We need to remember, that we are not at 11-2 yet, either) The only teams that would say they are not happy with a 2 loss year are those that do not have 2 losses yet. Perspective.
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ETA: For some real entertainment, ask a Texas fan if they're happy with this season.
Sure. I will ask them...if you ask them if they would have been happy to go 11-2.
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