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re: UGA releasing GT non-student tickets at 45 a pop

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Posted by HinesvilleThrill
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:53 pm to
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Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:55 pm to
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kids go to college nowadays for the education


Well a lot do, sure. But look up alabama's enrollment and number of HS applications in 2006 and then for every year since. You're being a little disingenuous if you dont' think that having a major football program doesn't impact interest.
Posted by PNW
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:59 pm to
It definitely helps but in my opinion if someone chooses a college based solely on their football program, they dumb. I wouldn't choose Alabama over UGA, Ohio State over Michigan, Illinois over Northwestern, etc
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted by UGAalum08
Greenville, SC
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:03 pm to
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But look up alabama's enrollment and number of HS applications in 2006 and then for every year since.


Do you have these numbers? I looked and couldn't find any...am curious.
Posted by tylerdurden24
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:04 pm to
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To be fair, kids go to college nowadays for the education. And as mentioned, most kids at UGA are getting too smart to even care about football et al. We are closer to being like Ga Tech than we are Auburn or LSU. Football interest directly relates to a college's grandeur.


Eh. Kids go to college nowadays because they're supposed to/expected to. They go to Grad school for an education (I attended both for both of those reasons). And I know a good number of folks who have graduated UGA and gone on to Harvard and Stanford grad schools and who are still rabidly invested in UGA sports. Sports (particularly college athletics) are a microcosm of society at large. Intelligence or the lack thereof has no correlation to an investment in fanhood. Honestly, it has a lot more to do with an investment to tribalism of sorts; an investment in the athletic programs and what they represent as far as this state and people. We are fans because we identify in these teams, in the power G logo, in the Dawg expression. It's really an old Southern thing, identifying ourselves as a group of people in college athletics (which is different than identifying oneself in the UNiversity itself, which is where the "you didn't go to UGA so you aren't a true fan" crowd gets it twisted). This is all an act of tribalism. Those who don't identify themselves in these things either find their identity in something else entirely or in another tribe for various reasons (Auburn, Tech, Bama, etc.). Me personally, I love the shite out of this state. It's my home. UGA represents my home and my family going back hundreds of years.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted by Broncothor
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:06 pm to
I completely disagree that the smarter the kid, the less they care about football. It has more to do with where they grew up and how they were raised. I know many very smart kids, including my own, that are rabid UGA fans.

I do agree that not growing up in this area could affect their knowledge. But once you are at a school, you should learn quickly to be a fan.


Keep in mind that if you are an 18 year old kid, you have only seen GT win one game since you were 4 years old. So it's hard for them to grow the feelings we have, just based on what to them is ancient history.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:08 pm to
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And I know a good number of folks who have graduated UGA and gone on to Harvard and Stanford grad schools and who are still rabidly invested in UGA sports

my brother and his best friend did exactly this.

and uga football was a large reason they both went to uga for undergrad.
Posted by tylerdurden24
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:12 pm to
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It definitely helps but in my opinion if someone chooses a college based solely on their football program, they dumb


Very few do this. The football program is a symptom of why they select a college in that the college is representative of them and, therefore, the football program is meant to become their representative on Saturdays in competition with other schools (ergo other people). Why do you think recruits often say "it felt like home." They're actively looking for the school that best represents who they feel they are and to allow that place to take hold of them and to shape them into who they desire to become.

If UGA students aren't as rabid as they used to be, it's because they're choosing the University out of default as opposed to a connection they've felt with the campus. It's easy to just sign the admission forms and register for classes when you can afford HOPE to foot the bill to go to the most well known (see "best networked") college in the state. Hence a lot of the transfer students you meet in Athens are some of the most loyal fans on gamedays as compared to some of the freshmen. They actively fought and chose over a long period of time to be here. That's not to say 4 year students don't grow to be huge supporters of UGA athletics (many do), but that's not a guarantee they will either.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:12 pm to
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Do you have these numbers? I looked and couldn't find any...am curious.


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Since 2007, Tuscaloosa has swelled its undergraduate ranks by 33% to over 28,000 students. Faculty count has kept pace: up 400 since 2007 to over 1,700. But it’s more than growth – it’s where the growth is coming from. According to the school, less than a third of the 2007 freshman class of 4,538 students hailed from out of state. By the fall of 2012, more than half (52%) of a freshman class of 6,397 students did


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the school’s out-of-state tuition cost – nearly three times higher than the rate for in-state students – rose from $18,000 to $22,950 a year during that period.


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Add it all up – more students from outside Alabama paying ever-increasing premium tuition bills – and the school realized $50 million more in out-of-state tuition revenue for last fall’s incoming class than it did for the same class in 2007 ($76 million vs. $26 million). Kick in the additional $8.5 million in in-state tuition, which rose to $9,200 a year from $6,400 over the same period, and overall tuition revenue rose to $104 million from $46 million for the respective 2012 and 2007 freshman classes


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more applications mean more selectivity. Six years ago, 64% of students applying to the University of Alabama were accepted. By 2012, the acceptance rate had dropped to 53%. About one in four students from the 2012 freshman class carried a 4.0 high school GPA. The class also includes 241 National Merit Scholars, more than any other public university in the U.S. “The quality of our students has never been higher,” says Mary Spieigel, executive director of undergraduate admissions. “Our recruiters across the nation emphasize all aspects of the University.”


LINK

Better football = more interest nationally = more money = higher standards.

Posted by UGAalum08
Greenville, SC
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:21 pm to
Interesting. There does seem to be a little meat to that argument.

I wonder how much of it is a direct correlation vs an indirection one though.

Direct correlation...better football program = more applicants looking for football.

Indirect correlation...better football program = more revenue going to the university which they funnel some into non-football related programs such as advertising, admissions, buildings, staff, other athletics, etc. None of which go to the program but all improve the university, thus making it more attractive.

Either way there's an increase in admissions for sure, but the indirect correlation is the result of a more appealing university to students seeking who knows what - but not necessarily football. An improved Bama program could attract more biologists (?) to Bama because the football program funded a new state of the art lab. Those biolgists may not even watch football.
Posted by HinesvilleThrill
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:02 pm to
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Sports (particularly college athletics) are a microcosm of society at large. Intelligence or the lack thereof has no correlation to an investment in fanhood. Honestly, it has a lot more to do with an investment to tribalism of sorts; an investment in the athletic programs and what they represent as far as this state and people. We are fans because we identify in these teams, in the power G logo, in the Dawg expression. It's really an old Southern thing, identifying ourselves as a group of people in college athletics (which is different than identifying oneself in the UNiversity itself, which is where the "you didn't go to UGA so you aren't a true fan" crowd gets it twisted). This is all an act of tribalism. Those who don't identify themselves in these things either find their identity in something else entirely or in another tribe for various reasons (Auburn, Tech, Bama, etc.)



This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted by rb
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:12 pm to
It should be illegal for state funded schools to give preferential treatment to out of state students. The mission has changed from educating the states children to filling the coffers,at the expense of in state kids.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:59 pm to
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It should be illegal for state funded schools to give preferential treatment to out of state students. The mission has changed from educating the states children to filling the coffers,at the expense of in state kids.


Well, when you have a single University system in the state, you can shuffle most of the state's other kids off to Southern, GCSU, Kennesaw, Ga State, West Georgia, etc. while the best and brightest get to go to UGA. And we wonder why UGA is starting to really produce some entitled pricks as graduates: it's the legacy of the entitled prick that we just replaced as Univ. President.
Posted by SED
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:06 pm to
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I wish I could get a job during UGA orientations during the summer where after they're done with all the froufrou crap like classes and dorms and stuff, they split off and I give a several hour intro course to UGA athletics, primarily centered on football. Our fanbase gets less and less rabid every year it seems.

I would endorse this. There are plenty of students at the game who either don't have a clue, or just don't care about what's going on in the game right in front of them.
Posted by SED
Athens, Ga
Member since Sep 2014
305 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:08 pm to
Also just a warning for this Saturday, the student section is going to be extremely weak, and I really hope that doesn't carry over to next week, because we really need the stands full for Tech.
Posted by LewDawg
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:35 pm to
Holy shite I want to go
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46384 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:38 pm to
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There are plenty of students at the game who either don't have a clue, or just don't care about what's going on in the game right in front of them.


And nobody has ever known the Alma Mater or Hail. What the frick do they do during Orientation nowadays? Isn't the point to become oriented with the campus and the traditions.
Posted by SED
Athens, Ga
Member since Sep 2014
305 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:47 pm to
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What the frick do they do during Orientation nowadays? Isn't the point to become oriented with the campus and the traditions.
Well, I uh, I learned not to smoke weed in my dorm room so I don't set off the fire alarm. I think I also learned not to spend all my money and go broke or something, I don't really remember.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46384 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:57 pm to
I mean have you ever tried singing the alma mater high? It's transcendental shite, man.
Posted by Timber Dawg
Perry, FL
Member since May 2012
107 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:34 pm to
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If UGA students aren't as rabid as they used to be, it's because they're choosing the University out of default as opposed to a connection they've felt with the campus. It's easy to just sign the admission forms and register for classes when you can afford HOPE to foot the bill to go to the most well known (see "best networked") college in the state.


I think this sums things up well. Something that surprised me when I started at UGA was the amount of kids that grew up in Southern families, but if the family allegiance was to Auburn/Bama/Tennessee/etc. then that allegiance was maintained even once they began attending UGA. It seemed the choice to attend UGA was based on it making sense because of the HOPE. Had it not been for the HOPE, then those kids would have gone the family legacy route and gone to school out of state. I reckon that coincides with the Yankee-Metro Atlanta deal wherein you have a significant transplant population that didn't grow up living and breathing college football, or if they did it was another school. I specifically knew a few people whose parents went to Alabama and then had their careers bring them to the Atlanta area. Drove me nuts when I realized they cared just as much (if not more) about what Bama was doing on Saturday as they did UGA.
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