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re: #5 team can't bitch
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:02 pm to wm72
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:02 pm to wm72
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Winter finals are the main thing preventing a single team playing every week until Christmas.
getting rid of the conference championship games is going to be the only way to fit a longer playoff into the college presidents' demands, unless those demands change. .
It's the only way that every single team doesn't lose an extra game and all the money from that just so 4 games can be played.
I disagree. FCS has a 24 team playoff. The first four rounds this year will be done from Nov 29 through Dec 19. Then they take a few weeks off before the final on Jan 10.
I see no absolutely no legitimate reason why FBS can't fit in an 8-12 team playoff from Dec 13 - Jan 10. None. They don't need to get rid of conference championship games to fit it in. They are full of shite if this is brought up as an excuse.
If its too damn hard for them to figure out how to set up exams for such a small amount of football players in that amount of time they aren't smart enough to be school presidents in the first place.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 5:07 pm
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:03 pm to Dr RC
Not to mention basketball plays all through December and January, even Christmas
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:13 pm to Lordofwrath88
Also, D3 football (where academics matter a metric frickton more than at FBS schools) has a 32 team playoff that goes from around Thanksgiving on through to Christmas.
I find it hard to believe that they can figure out how to work with the sports teams for exams during December with it somehow being just too hard for FBS schools to do.
I find it hard to believe that they can figure out how to work with the sports teams for exams during December with it somehow being just too hard for FBS schools to do.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:16 pm to bama1959
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the Committee doesn't think like I do
and you know this how?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:17 pm to Dr RC
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disagree. FCS has a 24 team playoff. The first four rounds this year will be done from Nov 29 through Dec 19. Then they take a few weeks off before the final on Jan 10.
I see no absolutely no legitimate reason why FBS can't fit in an 8-12 team playoff from Dec 13 - Jan 10. None. They don't need to get rid of conference championship games to fit it in. They are full of shite if this is brought up as an excuse.
If its too damn hard for them to figure out how to set up exams for such a small amount of football players in that amount of time they aren't smart enough to be school presidents in the first place.
You may be right about it being possible but it is precisely the stance being taken: No further encroachment into finals or the next semester.
That's the reason I think it will only happen if they replace the conference championship games with the 4 playoff games.
They certainly play all kind of other sports during December but none of those are anywhere near the scope of, say, an Ohio St hosting an Alabama in a playoff game.
All those other playoffs you mention have at least one more available week compared to FBS. That's where the extra championship game week makes it doable along similar lines without taking away an extra game (or bye week which the coach's vehemently oppose).
I don't think working with simply the players is the main issue for presidents. It's the general chaos for the entire campus community.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:26 pm to wm72
I get that's the reason they use, I just don't accept it as a legitimate reason. IMO the main reason they oppose a playoff expansion is they know it will lead to the G5 conferences eventually getting a shot. They just flat out do not want to share the money.
It really should not be that hard to set everything up in the amount of time they have.
I mean come on now. Does anyone really think the vast majority of FBS school presidents give two shits about athlete academics? If they did they wouldn't allow bullshite athlete degrees, lowered entrance standards, 12 game seasons, etc etc etc.
As for general campus chaos... That would only really happen if all the playoff games were on campus.
I don't think a few playoff games are going to distract students any more than they already are with Thanksgiving and Christmas break all around the same time. They are going to find excuses to do other shite no matter what b/c that's what students do.
It really should not be that hard to set everything up in the amount of time they have.
I mean come on now. Does anyone really think the vast majority of FBS school presidents give two shits about athlete academics? If they did they wouldn't allow bullshite athlete degrees, lowered entrance standards, 12 game seasons, etc etc etc.
As for general campus chaos... That would only really happen if all the playoff games were on campus.
I don't think a few playoff games are going to distract students any more than they already are with Thanksgiving and Christmas break all around the same time. They are going to find excuses to do other shite no matter what b/c that's what students do.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:37 pm to Dr RC
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As for general campus chaos... That would only really happen if all the playoff games were on campus.
I don't think a few playoff games are going to distract students any more than they already are with Thanksgiving and Christmas break all around the same time. They are going to find excuses to do other shite no matter what b/c that's what students do.
I completely agree with you about the athletes not being the main concern.
I went to a school, UC-San Diego, that didn't have big time sports but all my family went to SEC schools so I did experience the general campus hysteria that surrounds big football games. I do think faculty members would be voicing a lot of dissent at staging these games the weekend before finals week.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:47 pm to Lordofwrath88
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They're there as a 16 seed facing Alabama in Tuscaloosa.... I see no issue.
I imagine you don'e
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Right now the Power 5 don't have the autonomy to enact something that big... ie, a championship that only they get VIP tickets to. Even with their new power something like that would require a complete and separate division.
the frick they don't.
They got automatic qualifying rights to the BCS games. They can get automatic qualifying rights to the playoffs, there are 3 at larges for the rest of the
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:06 pm to SammyTiger
nope, they don't.
But not the National Championship.
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They got automatic qualifying rights to the BCS games
But not the National Championship.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:09 pm to SammyTiger
My main quest is a system where it is impossible to not win the National Championship if you never lose. There's no other sport system in the world where you can win everything and not go that level's championship.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:35 pm to Lordofwrath88
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My main quest is a system where it is impossible to not win the National Championship if you never lose. There's no other sport system in the world where you can win everything and not go that level's championship.
there also isn't a sport system in the world that decided a 125 team "league" with a 16 team playoff.
NCAA Basketball used 68
NFL used 16 (out of 32)
MLB used 8 (out of 30)
Basketball uses (16 out of 30)
we would need the entire top 25 to play to reach Basketball percentages
We would need
No one wants to watch 16 Georgia State play a playoff game, and no one besides you thinks its a good idea. If you are a good undefeated team, they you can get an at large bid, but going undefeated doesn't mean anything when you can have 2 completely differ groups of teams.
Why should marshall get into the playoff for not playing a single ranked team?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:35 pm to Lordofwrath88
Top four SEC teams automatically, Top four other teams picked. SEC still wins 3 out of 4.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:58 pm to SammyTiger
because they haven't lost and don't play in the FCS.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:19 am to SammyTiger
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Power 5 champs, 3 at larges
"Power 5" is a ridiculous name. The B1G and ACC don't have anymore of a claim to an automatic bid than the corpse of the Big East does.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
The TRUTH (TROOF [whatever]) is that the #9 team in the nation, at the END of the year, could beat the 8 teams in front of it at least once every 15 years.
The #17 team couldn't win out more than once out of 70.
Look at the NFL. Look at MLB. The NBA. The NHL. College basketball, baseball, soccer, softball, equestrian events, rodeo, track & field, and hockey. Swimming and Diving. Tidliwinks. Checkers. Majhong.
There are 128 (or so) teams playing top tier college football. You HAVE to have a 16 team playoff.
AGAIN: The number 9 team WOULD win out every 12-15 years. The margin of error here is unacceptable. We need a Top 16.
Number 17 can f*ck itself.
The #17 team couldn't win out more than once out of 70.
Look at the NFL. Look at MLB. The NBA. The NHL. College basketball, baseball, soccer, softball, equestrian events, rodeo, track & field, and hockey. Swimming and Diving. Tidliwinks. Checkers. Majhong.
There are 128 (or so) teams playing top tier college football. You HAVE to have a 16 team playoff.
AGAIN: The number 9 team WOULD win out every 12-15 years. The margin of error here is unacceptable. We need a Top 16.
Number 17 can f*ck itself.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:36 am to Dr RC
The Truth (Troof [whatever]) is that the families whose grandfathers started The Bowls have been the (and THE ONLY) opponents to a D1 college football playoff from the onset. (And if your grandfather started the Rose, Cotton, Orange, Sugar, Whatever Bowl then you, too, would be opposed to it. And so would I).
The other Troof (Truth [whatever]) is that EVERY OTHER DIVISION of college football (and there are THREE of them) have been playing a 16-team playoff for decades.
Case rested.
The other Troof (Truth [whatever]) is that EVERY OTHER DIVISION of college football (and there are THREE of them) have been playing a 16-team playoff for decades.
Case rested.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:46 am to SammyTiger
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Best answer is 8 team playoff
Power 5 champs, 3 at larges.
If they go 8 teams, have 5 spots for the P5 champs, 2 at large, and leave a spot for the highest ranked champ from the smaller conferences.
IMO, go to 12. Top 8 conference champs(or independent), and 4 at large. Top 4 conference champs get a bye. First 2 rounds on campus. Still gives meaning to winning your conference, and may allow schools to schedule better OOC.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:53 am to Tiger Live2
I acknowledge and accept that I am only Me.
This stated, I (The Great EYE) could compromise for no less than 12 teams: Top 4 get byes and we go from here.
8 teams out of 128 is 1912 baseball. No more, no less. 8 out of 128 is ridonckyooless.
This stated, I (The Great EYE) could compromise for no less than 12 teams: Top 4 get byes and we go from here.
8 teams out of 128 is 1912 baseball. No more, no less. 8 out of 128 is ridonckyooless.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:16 am to derSturm37
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I acknowledge and accept that I am only Me.
This stated, I (The Great EYE)
wtf
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:17 am to derSturm37
You guys are going to get what you deserve. It will eventually be a 16-team tournament and the regular season will be rendered completely meaningless. Do you really want the college football version of a shitty 9-7 New York Giants team winning two national titles?
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