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re: Racial gap in US arrest rates
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
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• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery. • Blacks are three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun in a crime. • Blacks commit 75% of all interracial crimes; whites commit 15%; while others account for 10%. - See more at: LINK ]
[quote] arrest black people at a rate nearly three times higher than people of other races.
Looks like they are getting off easy.
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Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:21 pm to BluegrassBelle
That is a load of crap. I represent people accused of crimes and I have just as many white clients as I have black clients.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 6:40 pm to BluegrassBelle
Damn crackers need to pull their weight and commit more crime.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 6:46 pm to euquol
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That is a load of crap. I represent people accused of crimes and I have just as many white clients as I have black clients.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Posted on 11/23/14 at 6:49 pm to WonderWartHawg
frick it. I take it all back. Black people are just felony prone. I have tamp down my criminal urges every day. Idk how we're not all behind bars tbqfh 
Posted on 11/23/14 at 6:51 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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frick it. I take it all back. Black people are just felony prone. I have tamp down my criminal urges every day. Idk how we're not all behind bars tbqfh
*detaches privilege cape and gives it to Tbird*.
I guess you're just one of the privileged ones?
Seriously, I feel like you only get convicted of murder if you, you know, murdered someone.
There might be a very low percentage of people who are falsely convicted, but the murder rate wouldn't be so high if people didn't murder others.
Or do they just prosecute black murderers at a far higher rate than the white ones?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 6:59 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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*detaches privilege cape and gives it to Tbird*.
shrugs into cape
wrinkles nose
Do I want to know what that odor is?
And nah, I'm not saying there are more false convictions for black people, I'm saying to look at the socioeconomic status of criminals. The fact that there are a disproportionate number of black people in disadvantaged situations needs to be acknowledged as the bigger predictor of criminal behavior than simply being black.
White peeps and other races from the same areas and with similar socioeconomic backgrounds are just as prone to engaging in criminal behavior. It has very little to do with race.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:24 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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It has very little to do with race.
That's BS. It's genetically ingrained. I actually have to work harder than whites to commit my felonies, since all the old white ladies cross the street when they see me. My work ethic is bar none, so I still gets me mines.
But still, whites, step your game up. We embarrassing y'all.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:30 pm to Montezuma
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But still, whites, step your game up. We embarrassing y'all.
Puttin' up some big numbers, gnomesayin'?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:52 pm to HempHead
#white privilege
I wish I had the elusive white privilege that some experience. I can literally only think of one or two times out of the 6 or 7 times I've been pulled over for speeding, rolling through a stop sign, or illegal turn when I got a warning. Nearly ALWAYS end up with a ticket.
I wish I had the elusive white privilege that some experience. I can literally only think of one or two times out of the 6 or 7 times I've been pulled over for speeding, rolling through a stop sign, or illegal turn when I got a warning. Nearly ALWAYS end up with a ticket.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:11 pm to Govt Tide
I've never been given a warning, but I've never had my vehicle searched either.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:24 pm to Govt Tide
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I can literally only think of one or two times out of the 6 or 7 times I've been pulled over for speeding, rolling through a stop sign, or illegal turn when I got a warning. Nearly ALWAYS end up with a ticket.
You don't realize the times cops didn't bother to pull you over because you're white.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:29 pm to TbirdSpur2010
You never shrug into a cape, you have to flap it.
Like Mr. Samuel L. Jackson.
Like Mr. Samuel L. Jackson.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You never shrug into a cape, you have to flap it.
Like Mr. Samuel L. Jackson.
Ah, I see.
flaps
MUCH better, I must say!
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:40 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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You don't realize the times cops didn't bother to pull you over because you're white.
Honestly, outside of maybe a few instances, I don't think this is very prevalent.
I speak from some experience since both of my parents were military police -- which I understand the anecdotal as well as different type of police caveats.
I truly believe that your car dictates whether or not you get pulled over or not. I worked as an armed security guard at one point and we were allowed to make limited traffic stops if necessary.
The neighborhood was majority white, but I found myself targeting suspicious vehicles or drivers who looked like they were lost (legitimately to help them). I pulled over more whites, but I started to notice a trend in the type of cars they were driving.
I was especially aggressive with junkers since it was a pretty expensive neighborhood, and usually those were contractors and of course -- lower class people.
Really, if you know the police are actively targeting a certain profile -- take yourself out of the profile. Don't walk around with your hoodie up in weather that doesn't necessitate a the hood up -- or in weather that doesn't even necessitate the hoodie.
If your car is fricked up, don't carry illegal substances because the cops are going to light you up any way they possibly can.
Low-risk behavior leads to a low-risk to be arrested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Honestly, outside of maybe a few instances, I don't think this is very prevalent.
Eh, I think it's more prevalent than you'd like to believe, but we're quickly approaching the realm of swapping anecdotal evidence at this point.
I agree with this, though:
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if you know the police are actively targeting a certain profile -- take yourself out of the profile.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:12 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Eh, I think it's more prevalent than you'd like to believe, but we're quickly approaching the realm of swapping anecdotal evidence at this point.
I agree with this, though:
I think a lot of it gets attributed to being "black" rather than, let's just give other stuff:
Clothing
Type of car
Tattoos
Attitude toward police officers
Just to name a few.
I think these are closer indicators to what gets people arrested than skin color.
I'm sure there are times where someone is "just black", but I'm also certain that they're fitting into a profile as well.
Are the cars, clothing and attitude exclusive to blacks in some respects? It's possible, but damn man, play your cards differently.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Are the cars, clothing and attitude exclusive to blacks in some respects? It's possible, but damn man, play your cards differently.
I agree that people should be smarter not to fall into profiling categories, but that doesn't absolve cops for doing the profiling to begin with.
And I'm not a cop hater--actually I stick up for 'em more often than not on these and other boards.
I've been fricked with for "DWB" and been in the car for such in all types of rides, dress and appearance. It's most definitely a thing that is a problem.
I'm just smart enough not to be belligerent when it does happen. Amazing how many potentially negative situations can be defused by cooperation/cordiality.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:32 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I agree that people should be smarter not to fall into profiling categories, but that doesn't absolve cops for doing the profiling to begin with.
I really try to avoid the conversation of profiling because in the right hands you can profile the frick out of people and use the Forer Effect to figure stuff out about them.
Now, the problem is: Our police officers really don't have the training that they ought to have, and they use shortcuts. So I agree with you. We either need to change how we approach profiling, or change how we train our police officers.
How they do it is wrong -- but in the right hands it can be beneficial.
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I'm just smart enough not to be belligerent when it does happen. Amazing how many potentially negative situations can be defused by cooperation/cordiality.
Which is why you've probably never been arrested. People who tend to get arrested tend...to never know how to deal with cops. A lot of people get arrested for stupid reasons, but in some cases cops are going to arrest you if they have the power to no matter what.
I just hope we change our paradigm toward police officers.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:45 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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in the right hands you can profile the frick out of people and use the Forer Effect to figure stuff out about them.
Now, the problem is: Our police officers really don't have the training that they ought to have, and they use shortcuts. So I agree with you. We either need to change how we approach profiling, or change how we train our police officers.
How they do it is wrong -- but in the right hands it can be beneficial.
Agreed
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Which is why you've probably never been arrested. People who tend to get arrested tend...to never know how to deal with cops. A lot of people get arrested for stupid reasons, but in some cases cops are going to arrest you if they have the power to no matter what.
This. The only thing going through my head whenever I'm dealing with cops is "don't do anything to give them an excuse to arrest you." Starts with not acting suspicious/antagonistic to begin with, and usually after a couple of seconds, cops can tell they're dealing with a decent human being and not someone who's out to show them up.
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I just hope we change our paradigm toward police officers.
It basically comes down to this: regardless of your stance towards the police in general, if you're not doing anything illegal to begin with, and not doing anything to escalate the encounter, the overwhelming majority of the time, you're not going to have any problems.
Step afoul of those criteria, and usually it won't end well for you.
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