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re: Racial gap in US arrest rates
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:28 pm to HempHead
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:28 pm to HempHead
Yep. And that's not to discount that there aren't bad apples with a badge. As with any profession, there are those and will always be, with the numbers of people in the profession.
But, like you.. there's a reason I haven't had a ticket since I was a teenager. Yes Sir, No Sir.. Yes Ma'am, No Ma'am goes a long ways and speaking in a civil tone without being defensive also does.
My last time to get pulled over was a few months ago, doing 59 in a 40. Knew I was busted as soon as I topped a hill and in the median, there he sat. Asked me if I knew why I was pulled over. Simply said, yes sir, I was going too fast. Asked why, and was honest and said I had just left a friends house and was jamming to some tunes and my foot went with the beat. He ran my license, tag.. came back with a warning and on my way I went.
Oh yeah.. #whiteprivelege
But, like you.. there's a reason I haven't had a ticket since I was a teenager. Yes Sir, No Sir.. Yes Ma'am, No Ma'am goes a long ways and speaking in a civil tone without being defensive also does.
My last time to get pulled over was a few months ago, doing 59 in a 40. Knew I was busted as soon as I topped a hill and in the median, there he sat. Asked me if I knew why I was pulled over. Simply said, yes sir, I was going too fast. Asked why, and was honest and said I had just left a friends house and was jamming to some tunes and my foot went with the beat. He ran my license, tag.. came back with a warning and on my way I went.
Oh yeah.. #whiteprivelege
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:33 pm to Alahunter
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Oh yeah.. #whiteprivelege
My white privilege was revoked when I grew hair past my shoulders and a Billy Gibbons beard.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:42 pm to HempHead
Racial gap in US arrest rates = Racial gap in Crimes Committed.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:54 pm to Rebelgator
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Don't do illegal shite and you don't get arrested. Why is that so hard to understand?
It seems pretty obvious that this is the answer, too.
Every time someone tells me: "...then they arrested me for no reason."
It's always prefaced or qualified by a pretty solid reason to arrest them.
Don't do no bad, ain't no bad gonna happen to you with Johnny.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 3:57 pm to betweenthebara
He kind of has a point. It's harder to get arrested if you don't break the law.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:35 pm to Alahunter
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Yes Sir, No Sir.. Yes Ma'am, No Ma'am goes a long ways and speaking in a civil tone without being defensive also does.
I preach this to my kids all of time....courtesy and respect will get you out of a shite load of trouble.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:51 pm to Alahunter
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Yes Sir, No Sir.. Yes Ma'am, No Ma'am goes a long ways and speaking in a civil tone without being defensive also does.
Meh, I've had more than one minority friend who this strategy didn't work for.
There is no denying that AAs commit crimes at a higher rate than other groups as a percentage of their population, but there is a very real advantage to not being black when it comes to police encounters. Every year hundreds of black people are arrested in this country in situations where, had they been white, they would have been allowed to walk away or never stopped in the first place.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Meh, I've had more than one minority friend who this strategy didn't work for.
And I have had white friends that it didn't work for as well. It's not a "get out of jail free card" but being argumentative/assholish with 5-0 will get you nothing.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:57 pm to ehole
The joke
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:57 pm to AUCatfish
There are situations where making it known how inappropriate their actions are is warranted.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
Here is my professional legal advice:
ETA elposter beat me to it
ETA elposter beat me to it
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:01 pm to AUCatfish
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And I have had white friends that it didn't work for as well. It's not a "get out of jail free card" but being argumentative/assholish with 5-0 will get you nothing.
It's all a matter of chance -- you have nothing to gain with a police officer physically, psychologically or emotionally.
He or she has the power unilaterally (in that moment, not in court), and being respectful in that situation will help more than anything.
The other route, being combative, will yield nothing more than a trip to court or a payment of a fine.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:21 pm to BowlJackson
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I think the real gap in arrests has more to do with the poverty line than race. Just so happens minorities are much more likely to be poor.
Read a book years ago, (forgot name...too lazy to look it up), where the author performed a study of race/poverty issues.
Just as many in this thread are stating, most of the issues from the education gap to arrest rates are very similar between races when examined from the perspective of socio-economic status.
Socio-economic status is a more reliable variable to examine than is race... unless your goal is sensationalize an issue rather than getting at the root of a problem.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:46 pm to BowlJackson
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I think the real gap in arrests has more to do with the poverty line than race. Just so happens minorities are much more likely to be poor.
Well said.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
Socioeconomic status is almost always a more cogent indicator of criminal behavior than race.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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There are situations where making it known how inappropriate their actions are is warranted
Warranted? Perhaps. Wise? Not so sure. At the point of contact, the police have the upper hand, and a better course of action would to be to go up the chain of command. Many a person have gotten themselves arrested for something stupid only because they ran their mouth.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:40 pm to AUCatfish
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There are situations where making it known how inappropriate their actions are is warranted
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Warranted? Perhaps. Wise? Not so sure. At the point of contact, the police have the upper hand, and a better course of action would to be to go up the chain of command. Many a person have gotten themselves arrested for something stupid only because they ran their mouth.
The difference between a realist and someone with principles.
Usually, I listen to what the guy with the gun says -- especially in America where almost everything is recorded. Principles are nice, but are better left suspended in the stead of mortal danger.
It may suck, and you may have a tough time coming to terms with someone having immediate power over you, but you'll live a lot longer and deal with less problems if you just listen for the moment and have your day in court (if it even warrants that).
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:12 pm to Duke
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Or have a good lawyer.
Ding ding ding...
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Socioeconomic status is almost always a more cogent indicator of criminal behavior than race.
If you didn't know better, you'd swear that being poor is not enjoyable!
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