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re: Who Else Freaking LOVES This Committee?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:15 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:15 am to cardboardboxer
On another thread I suggested the best move of all for this first playoff.
Free Shoes makes the four playoff teams
Baylor makes the 5 spot in the final playoff vote
Ken Starr goes to court in Waco for injunctive relief to deny Free Shoes over Christmas break
Wins injunction and Free Shoes forced to watch from the sidelines as Baylor takes their place
#1 Alabama paired with #4 Baylor in the Sugar Bowl
Tide rolls Bears
Seems pretty win - win to me
Free Shoes makes the four playoff teams
Baylor makes the 5 spot in the final playoff vote
Ken Starr goes to court in Waco for injunctive relief to deny Free Shoes over Christmas break
Wins injunction and Free Shoes forced to watch from the sidelines as Baylor takes their place
#1 Alabama paired with #4 Baylor in the Sugar Bowl
Tide rolls Bears
Seems pretty win - win to me
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:19 am to Old Sarge
We haven't even got to the championship weekend so the committee isn't currently holding that against them. You're projecting. Their problem isn't that they have too few games intra-conference. And playing yet another game in a silo viewed as weak isn't going to address the underlying issue
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:20 am to Cheese Grits
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Free Shoes
Love this nickname
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:59 am to tmc94
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We haven't even got to the championship weekend so the committee isn't currently holding that against them. You're projecting.
We all are, sure.
But it seems pretty clear to me that if at the end tOSU is at 4 and Baylor is at 5 then the championship game made the difference. The rules say that the Big 12 can't have a championship game with 10 members, so they HAVE TO expand to fix that issue.
Heck I was projecting during the 2013 offseason when all this was being decided that the committee was going to screw the Big 12 for not having a championship game. I think keeping them out of the top 4 all season is at least a hint that I was right. It is much easier at the end to say they never had a chance than put a Baylor at #4 now and then explain why tOSU jumped them at the end.
This way the "reasoning" for leaving them out won't be the championship game, but it will be like trying to argue that slavery wasn't the root cause of the Civil War for everyone outside the committee. The writing will be on the Big 12 wall, hello BYU!
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:14 pm to cardboardboxer
Here's how I see it playing out with the top 10 leading up to Championship Saturday.
-Alabama wins out, remains #1 at 11-1.
-Oregon wins out, remains #2 at 11-1.
-Florida State wins out, remains #3 at 12-0.
-Mississippi State wins out, remains #4 at 11-1.
-TCU wins against t.u., is 10-1, remains #5.
-Ohio State wins out, remains #6 at 11-1.
-Baylor is 10-1, remains #7.
-Ole Miss drops out after losing to Arkansas and Mississippi State.
-UCLA remains #9 after beating USC and Stanford.
-Georgia moves up to #8 after winning out at 10-2.
-Michigan State moves up to #10 after winning out at 10-2.
This means the following matchups for Championship Saturday:
#1 Alabama vs. #8 Georgia
#2 Oregon vs. #9 UCLA
#3 Florida State vs. #19 Georgia Tech
#5 TCU vs. Iowa State
#6 Ohio State vs. #12 Wisconsin
#7 Baylor vs. #11 Kansas State
Here's where it gets fun:
Alabama beats Georgia - They go in at #1
Oregon beats UCLA - They go in at #2
Florida State loses to Georgia Tech - They're out
Mississippi State is idle
Ohio State beats Wisconsin
Baylor loses to Kansas State
When that happens, your playoff picture is:
#1 Alabama vs. #4 Ohio State (New Orleans)
#2 Oregon vs. #3 Mississippi State (Pasadena)
#5 Florida State and #6 TCU are left out
-Alabama wins out, remains #1 at 11-1.
-Oregon wins out, remains #2 at 11-1.
-Florida State wins out, remains #3 at 12-0.
-Mississippi State wins out, remains #4 at 11-1.
-TCU wins against t.u., is 10-1, remains #5.
-Ohio State wins out, remains #6 at 11-1.
-Baylor is 10-1, remains #7.
-Ole Miss drops out after losing to Arkansas and Mississippi State.
-UCLA remains #9 after beating USC and Stanford.
-Georgia moves up to #8 after winning out at 10-2.
-Michigan State moves up to #10 after winning out at 10-2.
This means the following matchups for Championship Saturday:
#1 Alabama vs. #8 Georgia
#2 Oregon vs. #9 UCLA
#3 Florida State vs. #19 Georgia Tech
#5 TCU vs. Iowa State
#6 Ohio State vs. #12 Wisconsin
#7 Baylor vs. #11 Kansas State
Here's where it gets fun:
Alabama beats Georgia - They go in at #1
Oregon beats UCLA - They go in at #2
Florida State loses to Georgia Tech - They're out
Mississippi State is idle
Ohio State beats Wisconsin
Baylor loses to Kansas State
When that happens, your playoff picture is:
#1 Alabama vs. #4 Ohio State (New Orleans)
#2 Oregon vs. #3 Mississippi State (Pasadena)
#5 Florida State and #6 TCU are left out
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:32 pm to cardboardboxer
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At this point, I'd be for suing ...don't we have anti trust laws or something like that that prevent this stuff?
Those chucklefricks never let me down
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:55 pm to cardboardboxer
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It is much easier at the end to say they never had a chance than put a Baylor at #4 now and then explain why tOSU jumped them at the end.
don't really think it's that Machiavellian. Bama jumped from 5 to 1 this week based on a quality win. It seems fairly evident that the committee has no problem doing this when they feel it is deserved and they don't need to rank someone low now to avoid it
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:29 pm to cardboardboxer
Honestly? I think they kind of suck and don't buy into the calls to wait for the final poll to see how it all shakes out. Their is no legit logic to some of the things they are doing to rank teams where they have them.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:34 pm to Old Sarge
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This would be hilarious because Fox will not pay more if they add u of h and LaTech
neither of those teams would be an expansion target.
BYU, Cincy, East Carolina, USF, UCF, UConn, and hell, even Tulane are all more attractive expansion targets due to market location and/or fanbase size.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:38 pm to Dr RC
Well sure, if what I really wanted was a fair system it sucks. Anything short of a 16 team playoff sucks if you want fair. We just moved from one beauty contest to another.
But even outside the committee often college football makes India's caste system look progressive (HELLO Marshall), and so I will take an unfair system that is unfair in a way that benefits my team.
I am Machiavellian like that.
But even outside the committee often college football makes India's caste system look progressive (HELLO Marshall), and so I will take an unfair system that is unfair in a way that benefits my team.
I am Machiavellian like that.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:52 pm to cardboardboxer
It just bothers me that the BCS formula was seemingly better than what these guys are doing.
To me it feels like they dumped the computers and kept the worst part of the BCS formula in the coaches poll. However, instead of using "coaches" who clearly never had any realistic way of seeing enough games to give a proper vote they made an even smaller group of people with even less accountability to do the rankings.
I don't buy for a second that ADs like Jeff Long or Pat Haden have the time (or even attempt) to see all the games needed to make the proper judgements in a poll that comes off as completely arbitrary from week to week.
To me it feels like they dumped the computers and kept the worst part of the BCS formula in the coaches poll. However, instead of using "coaches" who clearly never had any realistic way of seeing enough games to give a proper vote they made an even smaller group of people with even less accountability to do the rankings.
I don't buy for a second that ADs like Jeff Long or Pat Haden have the time (or even attempt) to see all the games needed to make the proper judgements in a poll that comes off as completely arbitrary from week to week.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:59 pm to Dr RC
Agreed on that too. A "real" committee would be full of former players and coaches who made the committee their fulltime job.
I disagree the BCS was better. Those computers often spit out answers that made way less sense than the human polls.
I disagree the BCS was better. Those computers often spit out answers that made way less sense than the human polls.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:09 pm to cardboardboxer
The thing about the computers is they were for the most part consistent with what you needed to do to get ranked high. You could argue about what data they used to get there but at least they were essentially impartial.
This committee? Not so much.
Really the only thing that bugged me about the computer polls was some of the creators refusals to release their full formula. (to which I simply would have made a rule that if you wouldn't give it up you weren't going to be used)
This committee? Not so much.
Really the only thing that bugged me about the computer polls was some of the creators refusals to release their full formula. (to which I simply would have made a rule that if you wouldn't give it up you weren't going to be used)
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