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We need to talk about Brad Lawing

Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:37 pm
I DGAF about whatever the reason is that he left SC. He was not only one of the best Asst Coaches we had, but he's one of the best college DL coaches in the country. His absence has resonated in our program for 2 seasons.

He is now available. There is NO guarantee that he will keep his job at UF with a new HC coming in there. He has a $390K buyout if he is not retained next season.

We need to make the move to bring him back, IMO. He's better than Deke, by a lot.

I read something really important about this situation as well, for anyone thinking that if we lose Deke, we'll lose those DL recruits. CeCe Jefferson and Byron Cowart, two 5 Star recruits who WERE heavy UF leans, said they they would still be considering UF if Lawing is retained. Bring Lawing to SC and we could even upgrade our DL recruits this cycle.

I'm reading too many things from different sources that Deke is not coaching our DL guys and he's more of a friend, I'm over it, let's get Lawing back.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 1:16 pm to
I was just coming here to make this identical same post after posting something similar on the SECr (re: Ellis Johnson).

But the chances of us getting Brad back are slim and none. He left for personal reasons, getting away from a crazy girlfriend and a crazy ex-wife. His current wife is probably not going to allow him to return here unless it is for a million a year and a DC job.

He'll be grabbed-up by someone in a hurry though. He and Boom both will.
Posted by Wholelottacock
Charleston, SC
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 1:18 pm to
Will never ever happen and neither will Muschamp.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 1:55 pm to
He won't be coming back Columbia unless he's confident his dick will remain attached to his body.

Bitches already got his balls apparently. Or maybe he didn't have any to start
Posted by uscwillie7
Conway, SC
Member since Jan 2013
96 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 4:45 pm to
if you lie to SOS, you are done with SOS...plain and simple. Lawing cheated on his wife, took his girlfriend on recruiting trips (on USC's dollar) and lied to SOS when questioned about it.

He will not be back as long as SOS is here.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/16/14 at 6:06 pm to
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if you lie to SOS, you are done with SOS...plain and simple. Lawing cheated on his wife, took his girlfriend on recruiting trips (on USC's dollar) and lied to SOS when questioned about it.

He will not be back as long as SOS is here.


That's not exactly correct ... and I was hoping we'd leave that part out of it because he didn't actually lie to SOS.

The issue was about him taking his girlfriend on a recruiting trip, which he did do. But had he lied to SOS he would have been fired on the spot and not even had the chance to work the deal with the payraise and the Gators. You don't get fired and fall-upwards like that in terms of money and perception.

I assure you, he never lied to Spurrier about it - when asked, he admitted to it immediately. Spurrier even ran interference for him and made the call to Boom to help find him a place down there in a hurry before the the higher-up in the Athletic Department got wind of it.

So the rumors going around about Brad lying to the HBC ... totally untrue. Spurrier was not exactly a Saint in his younger days either.

And Brad ain't no liar.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 6:22 pm to
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And Brad ain't no liar.


I really doubt you could convince his wife of that.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 8:14 pm to
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I really doubt you could convince his wife of that.




In all seriousness though, I DGAF if Lawing had an affair. We all make bad personal decisions, some more devious than others though. He is one of the best in the business at what he does. He developed a lot of talent, he made a lot of 3-5 star guys NFL talent level. Our Defense was solid under him and he was a great DL coach. He was a solid recruiter, besides the whole Carlos Dunlap thing, but he has a 20 year track record of making good football players great.

When he left, I remember having a "good riddance" attitude, and I thought that Deke could come in and do well. Deke was known as a good recruiter and the DL he had at unc and Southern Miss were actually pretty good. To be fair, Deke has done a good job recruiting, it's just his coaching intensity/ability has come into question 2 years in a row now.

In '13 our stats for Total Defense, Sacks and TFL's dipped from the previous 3 years. However, we had Quarles, Clowney and Sutton on the DL. In '14 it has been fricking horrible. If anyone doesn't think Lawing should even be considered, ask yourself this question. "Would the defense had taken a small step back in '13 an completely broke the frick down in '14...if Brad Lawing had never left?

IMO, our DL would have continued to dominate, probably even moreso in '13 if Lawing had never left, in '14, we were fricked anyways but maybe we would have got a different DL recruiting class in '13 or '14 and it wouldn't have been so bad.

This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 8:15 pm
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 9:01 pm to
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In '13 our stats for Total Defense, Sacks and TFL's dipped from the previous 3 years. However, we had Quarles, Clowney and Sutton on the DL. In '14 it has been fricking horrible. If anyone doesn't think Lawing should even be considered, ask yourself this question. "Would the defense had taken a small step back in '13 an completely broke the frick down in '14...if Brad Lawing had never left?



Maybe. Sutton was overrated because he got all his sacks when he played inside in the Rabbits package, which had Devin Taylor and Clowney at the ends. If Lawing is still here he could still lay an egg when moving full time to DE

This year we just don't have the talent at DE to have a decent defense. Hard to play defense with no pass rush. We hadn't a sack since the Furman game until yesterday. Thats more indicative of a lack of talent than poor coaching imo
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:36 pm to
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This year we just don't have the talent at DE to have a decent defense. Hard to play defense with no pass rush. We hadn't a sack since the Furman game until yesterday. Thats more indicative of a lack of talent than poor coaching imo


We have definitely been horrible at DE this year and, I agree, that is where 50% of our problems lie on defense.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:15 pm to
Rumors coming out on the gator boards (not the dead one on this site, but their other ones) that Brad Lawing will NOT be retained.

They are looking at Chris Rumph from texas, who used to work with their their HC at bama and Wilson who is at So Cal, but used to work at uga.
Posted by TiptonInSC
Aiken, SC
Member since Dec 2012
18902 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:35 am to
It makes too much sense to go after him. It's a shame that we won't. I hate being negative all of the time, but this is a complacent group running the show right now.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:53 am to
If he's not retained at Florida ... which would be foolish as hell for Florida to do, but if he is not retained at Florida we're going to talk to him. But there will be a long list of suitors lined-up to try to hire him the moment it's announced UF is not retaining him ..... IF that's what happens.

Rumpf over Lawing? lulz at the irony of that one especially given how Lawing was brought-back here over Rumpf which led to the fallout between Rumpf and Spurrier.

Rumpf is not a great coach and he's only an average recruiter. He was about to get fired at Bama when he bailed for Texas IMHO, although Bama fans tell me they're not sure about that, but that he was no big loss anyways.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:32 pm to
Officially not retained at Florida. He is available.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:57 pm to
Spurrier should go get him asap

But he'll sit on his arse and drink Coors instead
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:32 pm to
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Spurrier should go get him asap

But he'll sit on his arse and drink Coors instead


I think there's more to it than that .... not the least of which would be some recruiting delicacies right now.

But Brad has departed and returned before. There is a precedent .... but he's already been approached by others. Plus, he left here for a reason.

This is in no way all on the HBC.
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