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On Gurley, UGA and NCAA - The Unattended Effect

Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:47 am
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:47 am
Assume that college athletes were allowed to keep the rights to their names. A significant number of disadvantaged players with fan followings might decide to stay in school instead of needing to turn pro. If Gurley could profit off his fame and ability maybe he'd delay going pro.
Posted by UGAalum08
Greenville, SC
Member since Aug 2014
944 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:26 am to
No amount of autographs are better than a $10+ mil contract in the NFL and leaving early to avoid injury/prolong your NFL career.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 5:29 am
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:08 am to
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No amount of autographs are better than a $10+ mil contract in the NFL and leaving early to avoid injury/prolong your NFL career.

While this is true, it would take some of the urgency out of the decision. Now you've got kids taking a chance trying to go pro too early when they are on the fringe to even get drafted because they need the money. That would still happen some, but you would probably see less of that if they could make some money in college.

The first rounders would still leave, but it could change the thought process for late-round/free agent guys.
Posted by UGAalum08
Greenville, SC
Member since Aug 2014
944 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:33 am to
You're right, could keep some for senior year, but I think they would be the vast minority. Even the late rounders receive $2mil contracts. Plus, how much money can the 20th best NCAA RB in the nation make off their name anyways? Or the 20th best OL?

Disclaimer: I fully support the notion that NCAA athletes should be able to profit off their name
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 6:40 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:42 am to
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While this is true, it would take some of the urgency out of the decision. Now you've got kids taking a chance trying to go pro too early when they are on the fringe to even get drafted because they need the money. That would still happen some, but you would probably see less of that if they could make some money in college.

The first rounders would still leave, but it could change the thought process for late-round/free agent guys.



I understand what you are saying, and on a certain level it makes sense, however.....

I collected memorabilia for years and two types of people (generally) collect college memorabilia.

1) Big fans of a particular program. These fans will collect (Mostly) players of their favorite team. For Georgia, they would collect Buck Belue, Herschel Walker, Jake Scott, David Pollack, David Greene, Lindsey Scott, etc. Players that made a significant impact on the program or were involved in memorable plays. There would not be enough demand to give these players significant amounts of money.

2) Hard core collectors. these collecors are trying to have a collection worth some money. they will collect players that made it big in their college career, and hopefully have a very succesful pro careers. They will go for Heisman winners, and players like Dan Marino, Cam Newton, Todd Gurley,etc. They want to get a signed article cheap and hopefully have a player that hits it big on the professional level to increase the value of their article.

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all or anythng, I am just familiar with what MOST collectors are going for. All of this is to say that most borderline players will not be in demand. You will only see the major players getting these opportunitis and they are the players that will be offered the multi-million dollar contracts AS A WHOLE. There will be a certain segment that will go after a Manti Teo autograph simply for the notoriety of his.....situation?
They typically will ask the player to add a a funny line to the autograph by asking Teo to sign something like: (Manti "Catfish" Teo) or something like that.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:43 am to
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Disclaimer: I fully support the notion that NCAA athletes should be able to profit off their name


If the NCAA can, then the players should be able to. It in no way affects their playing.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:49 am to
I'm not just talking about making memorabilia money. I'm talking more about marketing and advertisements.

If a great college WR who may not be a great pro prospect has a $15k ad deal with a local company, that could maybe be just enough to persuade him to stay one more year to help his stock. It could be even more of a big deal for former big recruits who may not have reached their potential yet. They might get more money in college because of their fame as recruits, and an extra year to hone their craft could be a big benefit.
Posted by UGAalum08
Greenville, SC
Member since Aug 2014
944 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:54 am to
Good point Crow. If athletes were allowed the option to make money off their name, there are far more avenues available to them than underground signings. This is probably one of the biggest reasons the NCAA doesn't want to allow it, because they don't know what the can of worms contains.
Posted by MSGADawg5988
Member since Feb 2014
1361 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:13 am to
Yea we aren't just talking about signing autographs they could do a lot with commercials and university sponsored events. It would help but there's always a downside to the situation.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:13 am to
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I'm not just talking about making memorabilia money. I'm talking more about marketing and advertisements.


I got you, now. I could see where a Conley, Hutson Mason etc could maybe get a local car dealership ad, or something along those lines.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:14 am
Posted by UGAalum08
Greenville, SC
Member since Aug 2014
944 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:20 am to
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I got you, now. I could see where a Conley, Hutson Mason etc could maybe get a local car dealership ad, or something along those lines.


Conley and Mason aren't the best of examples to use. Both of those guys stayed their senior year without financial incentive from the NCAA to do so.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:25 am to
Different example: say Malcolm Mitchell, who really needs a healthy year, was in a dire financial situation and needed to go pro ASAP, hypothetically. If he could spin his national appearance on 60 minutes or whatever that was into a relatively large marketing deal with Barnes & Noble throughout Georgia, that could buy him the ability to stay.

I think he'll stay anyway because he needs to, but just a hypothetical.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:26 am
Posted by Leghumper
Lawrenceville, Georgia
Member since Dec 2003
2330 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:02 am to
NCAA rules are borderline unconstitutional..AJ Green was given his bowl jersey. It was his personal property to do with as he wished..oh wait..guess not. Gurley and many others should be able to own their "names" as intellectual property and protect it and profit by it as they see fit. I don't see selling autographs as any different than working a parttime job to garner some extra cash..sure these athletes get some perks for their efforts, but no one has the right to treat them as semi-slaves (and believe me many programs do just that).
Posted by UGAalum08
Greenville, SC
Member since Aug 2014
944 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:06 am to
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NCAA rules are borderline unconstitutional


They are bound by contract, not as US citizens.

Don't like the rules? Don't want to be told you can't use your own name? Don't sign the contract. Don't play.
Posted by Leghumper
Lawrenceville, Georgia
Member since Dec 2003
2330 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:13 am to
contract does not wave constitutionally guaranteed rights..but it would take multitple court cases to determine this..1st salvo was fired by the Northwestern kids...

and as far as "don't play" if you don't like the rules...college football and NCAA operates as a monopoly that rigs all the rules as they see fit. potential player has nowhere else to go.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:19 am to
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Conley and Mason aren't the best of examples to use. Both of those guys stayed their senior year without financial incentive from the NCAA to do so.


True. I mainly used them as examples of players that are marginal in being drafted to the NFL. They probably could not profit from autographs, but could in other areas.

I guess staying true to the tone of the thread better examples might be players that wuld go in the 4-7th round but might go out in their Junior year anyway. However, almost all players that start could benefit from a rule change like this.

Guessing, the NCAA does not want the richer, more powerful teams offering (under the table, of course) "advertising contracts" to recruits to get them to go to their school. "Contracts" thata ctually do not exist.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:20 am to
quote:

Different example: say Malcolm Mitchell, who really needs a healthy year, was in a dire financial situation and needed to go pro ASAP, hypothetically. If he could spin his national appearance on 60 minutes or whatever that was into a relatively large marketing deal with Barnes & Noble throughout Georgia, that could buy him the ability to stay.

I think he'll stay anyway because he needs to, but just a hypothetical.



MUCH better example than mine.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6939 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:52 am to
Have each of these players pay back the total value of their scholarship and added value from any monies made. If the Georgia experience makes it possible for a player to make $10,000 a year, then they can certainly pay Georgia 10% of that for making it possible.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14151 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:55 am to
I just don't see any way this could be done without unleashing a huge amount of unintended consequences or creating bizarre scenarios. For example some random thoughts:

What does "rights to your name" really mean? Jerseys, autographs, shoe deals, etc.?

Do they get paid by merchandisers and/or the school to use their name? Who will be doing the paying?

What % of the price of merchandise do the players get? Who gets the rest? Will there be competition among vendors to get the player to sign with them?

How do you keep certain individuals, groups etc. from going out buying loads of "player x" gear or autographs...i.e. effectively paying him.

The team with the highest sales of goods for their team will have an edge on recruiting.

What about the other kids on team? If I'm blocking for Gurley then I want a piece of the action. If I'm Chubb - competition for a spot is now a $$$ proposition.

I don't disagree with the concept, but I just don't think this can be done without destroying the game as we know it. This would not be an easy thing to enforce and there'd be money flying around all over the place.
Posted by UGAalum08
Greenville, SC
Member since Aug 2014
944 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:58 am to
Works in the pros, does it not? Are there any restrictions on monetary exchanges in the pros for "likeness" or "name".

I do not disagree that it would introduce a lot of undesired consequences, but I'm definitely not in agreement that it cannot work. There is precedent in the pros that says otherwise.
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