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If you want to know just how bad things are, go read Liucci's latest article
Posted on 11/3/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 11/3/14 at 3:54 pm
The king of Aggie sunshine believes we are one of the worst teams in the FBS and argues that this thing is dangerously close to burning to the fricking ground.
Billy fricking Liucci has all but thrown up the white flag on this staff. Think about that.
Billy fricking Liucci has all but thrown up the white flag on this staff. Think about that.
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Posted on 11/3/14 at 4:09 pm to Roger Klarvin
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this thing is dangerously close to burning to the fricking ground.
What does that even MEAN? I am just so sick of how over the top we are.
I mean, is there something that could happen this year that could derail Sumlin's tenure and squander all our SEC momentum? Yes, yes there is. Its called losing Mack and Kyler.
But EVERYTHING up to that line is fleeting. How bad a Bama or a Auburn beats us this year has no bearing on the score two years from now when all that freshman talent is no longer freshman and they aren't the only good players on the field.
We are all flash and no substance, but that is nothing new. It was all flash with Johnny, we never even won a BCS bowl with him here. Heck, I would argue it was flash with RC- he never had a top 5 finish, he had a crap bowl record, and he couldn't compete when Texas got a decent recruiter for a head coach. We have been a flash program for decades.
The trick is, that no LSU fan understands, there is nothing wrong with some flash. Its called faking it until you make it, and quite honestly we had a lot of ground to make up quickly. It is not surprising that we couldn't jump the chasm in a single shot, even Neo didn't make the jump the first time.
I don't remember a single Aggie that thought that we would really compete this year. The hope ALL OFFSEASON was to do good enough to keep together our class, which might still happen. The hope is to one day have enough talent on the roster so that we don't HAVE TO fake it one day because we will have "made it" talent-wise.
I look back at what I wanted from this season and it was a simple list:
1. We have a better record than Texas for recruiting purposes - can still happen
2. Neither TCU nor Baylor wins the national title needed for people to consider them a real option for top talent in the state ala 80's Miami - WVU almost gave me this one
3. We beat LSU- can still happen
All of my goals are still on the table. Put KSU in the playoffs before any Texas or Oklahoma team and its a little better than I expected actually.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 4:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
Don't know that I would call Looch the "king of Aggie sunshine". He certainly is a glass half full guy but he also points out the negative. I think he picked us at 7-5/8-4 to start the season.
That said, his latest was probably the most negative article I have seen from him and he actually went overboard imo. We need to stop the bleeding in a big way but the world isn't coming to an end. As long as we have our resources and are in the SEC we have the ability to rebuild and recover quickly. The infrastructure is built now and that's the hardest part.
That said, his latest was probably the most negative article I have seen from him and he actually went overboard imo. We need to stop the bleeding in a big way but the world isn't coming to an end. As long as we have our resources and are in the SEC we have the ability to rebuild and recover quickly. The infrastructure is built now and that's the hardest part.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 4:27 pm to cardboardboxer
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I mean, is there something that could happen this year that could derail Sumlin's tenure and squander all our SEC momentum?
It was squandered in Tuscaloosa two weeks ago IMO. 60 minutes of football just about undid everything good Sumlin had done for this program. History says coaches don't come back from losses like that.
It isn't the singular loss, it's what the manner in which we lost says about everyone in this program from the top down.
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I don't remember a single Aggie that thought that we would really compete this year. The hope ALL OFFSEASON was to do good enough to keep together our class, which might still happen. The hope is to one day have enough talent on the roster so that we don't HAVE TO fake it one day because we will have "made it" talent-wise.
I find this incredibly disingenuous. NONE of the people predicting 7-5 or thereabouts had us getting run out of the stadium by MSU and Ole Miss, getting beaten in historic fashion by Bama and needing a last minute defensive stand to beat ULM.
No, people were NOT predicting this.
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3. We beat LSU- can still happen
I disagree, it is not possible to win another SEC game playing the way we have recently.
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 11/3/14 at 4:47 pm to Roger Klarvin
I was fully expecting a 7-5 season this year, the kicker being that we would see steady improvement throughout the team. We will be a 6-6 team that, up till this point, has gotten worse every week. Arkandas would beat us by 3 touchdowns right now.
That's what causes my concern, and I'm sure concern throughout HS prospects
That's what causes my concern, and I'm sure concern throughout HS prospects
Posted on 11/3/14 at 4:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
Lol aren't him and Sumlin good friends? God we are so fricking fricked
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It was squandered in Tuscaloosa two weeks ago IMO. 60 minutes of football just about undid everything good Sumlin had done for this program. History says coaches don't come back from losses like that.
That is crazy talk. "History" doesn't determine how good we will be the next few seasons, the rankings on NSD will. I don't care what "history" has to say, I care what 247 has to say.
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It isn't the singular loss, it's what the manner in which we lost says about everyone in this program from the top down.
What? That we will win on talent and not coaching if we win? Heck Mack Brown did it with Vince, it can be done.
Even if Sumlin did ruin HIS momentum, he did not ruin our SEC momentum. No way. If he flops some other coach will take over.
When Texas, Tech or Baylor is ranked higher than us on NSD, THEN we lost "everything good" we were building.
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I find this incredibly disingenuous. NONE of the people predicting 7-5 or thereabouts had us getting run out of the stadium by MSU and Ole Miss, getting beaten in historic fashion by Bama and needing a last minute defensive stand to beat ULM.
No, people were NOT predicting this.
Sure, but to be fair not many expected Ole Miss and MSU to be this good.
We WERE predicted to get "run out of the stadium" by USC so I don't feel like I am being very disingenuous.
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I disagree, it is not possible to win another SEC game playing the way we have recently.
Sure, but maybe we will play better. Or the corndogs will give up on the season and play worse. It can happen.
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:03 pm to cardboardboxer
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losing Mack and Kyler.
IMO... It does not matter if we lose Mack, Kyler, etc...
At some point we will need to field a good defense that can physically hold their own vs Bama, LSU, Auburn, etc...
We cannot continue to hope to score 38+ points per game in the SEC and win offensive shootouts. The pressure on a young offense and on a new QB is tremendous. To make it worse we are in a league where 3 of the top 4 teams in the nation are in the SEC W this late in the season and Ole Miss just fell out of the top 5. Don't even mention LSU at this point.
Who is the offensive leader? Not a grinning Kenny or a green Kyle Allen. Haven't seen anyone on the O line step up in that role at all. Not going to be one of the freshman/sophs at WR. TE is almost non existent so no leader is coming from that position. Never going to be 1 of our 3 RBs that carry the ball 7-8 times per game. This offense lacks an on field general. Doesn't happen that often but this is the predicament we are now in. Young team and confidence is shot... a bad situation.
This is a perfect storm in a leaque full of good coaches and physically gifted defenses. They find your weaknesses and then exploit them. Right now our weaknesses are being fully exploited. Young guys can get on a roll but when things go bad, they go really bad quickly. Just the nature of an inexperienced team.
For me the biggest dissapointment of all is at the QB position. In Sumlin's offense you can't hide a subpar QB. Obviously the price we are paying is quite high.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:07 pm to cardboardboxer
I've said it before this week and I'll say it a few hundred more times before this season is over probably. The 6-3 record or who we lost to doesn't concern me. shite the MSU and Ole Miss losses don't really concern me at all at this point.
The way we quit against Alabama, the effort level vs ULM, and all of the overwhelmingly negative shite about our locker room that has come out in the past three weeks is what concerns me. Things are trending in a very bad direction and getting worse each week. As bad as the Bama game was I actually did expect us to come out and handle ULM pretty easily (like 38-17 or something). A significant portion of the team didn't look like they gave a single frick.
It feels like we are on the verge of a full fledged mutiny from about half the team. That is cancerous and drives away recruits in droves and poisons good players who come into the program. I'm afraid if we have another year of that we could be driven into the type of hole that takes 4-5 years to get out of. All the highly ranked players in the world can't change a negative culture that is permeating a program
The way we quit against Alabama, the effort level vs ULM, and all of the overwhelmingly negative shite about our locker room that has come out in the past three weeks is what concerns me. Things are trending in a very bad direction and getting worse each week. As bad as the Bama game was I actually did expect us to come out and handle ULM pretty easily (like 38-17 or something). A significant portion of the team didn't look like they gave a single frick.
It feels like we are on the verge of a full fledged mutiny from about half the team. That is cancerous and drives away recruits in droves and poisons good players who come into the program. I'm afraid if we have another year of that we could be driven into the type of hole that takes 4-5 years to get out of. All the highly ranked players in the world can't change a negative culture that is permeating a program
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:12 pm to Tridentds
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Who is the offensive leader?
I think Speedy is developing into this but to expect a true freshman to take that weight on his shoulders where we are right now is ridiculous.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
Any way you can post an small excerpt? I want to get a glimpse of exactly what is meant by Billy saying we're this bad.
I can't believe this is happening. I mean, to go from the elation of the SCAR game to just utter shite and a locker room mutiny? This seriously feels like a bad dream. As Johnny liked to say, surreal.
I can't believe this is happening. I mean, to go from the elation of the SCAR game to just utter shite and a locker room mutiny? This seriously feels like a bad dream. As Johnny liked to say, surreal.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
Link to article?
Nm, I guess it's members only.
Nm, I guess it's members only.
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:42 pm to Roger Klarvin
I've never thought he was "the king of Aggie sunshine", just not nearly as negative as many others. I can't find anything in his article to argue with.
The scary part to me is Kyler taking visits elsewhere while our OL continues to suck, and suck bad. Why exactly would he come to A&M?
The scary part to me is Kyler taking visits elsewhere while our OL continues to suck, and suck bad. Why exactly would he come to A&M?
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:45 pm to TexasAg13
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Arkandas would beat us by 3 touchdowns right now.
We should have lost to Arkansas by 3 TD THEN. Dan Skipper's unnecessary tripping penalty was literally the only thing keeping us from going down 35-14.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:48 pm to cardboardboxer
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That is crazy talk. "History" doesn't determine how good we will be the next few seasons, the rankings on NSD will. I don't care what "history" has to say, I care what 247 has to say.
History sets precedents. As of now, I cannot think of any coach who went onto win a major conference title after losing like we did to Bama.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 5:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
This board will begin eating its own after next weekends massacre. 
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I cannot think of any coach who went onto win a major conference title after losing like we did to Bama.
There's a reason you can't think of one.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:06 pm to betweenthebara
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This board will begin eating its own after next weekends massacre.
I can't see it. cardboardboxer seems to be the last optimist... or at least the least pessimistic. Good for him, but "eating its own" implies there will be arguments.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:08 pm to finestfirst79
there will be.
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
I haven't read the article -- I assume it's some local deal? -- but, frankly, the negativism starts to get ridiculous. The sky isn't falling in, no matter how hard other fanbases troll you. TAMU might be the third most talented team in the SEC (I'd call the position after LSU and Bama a mosh pit of TAMU, Auburn, and UGA.) They have all the tools. The brutal schedule combined with a QB that just simply didn't live up to expectations makes things look bad, but the only real clusterfrick loss was Bama. Ole Miss and Mississippi State just beat TAMU in a fashion that one would expect a top team to do. They certainly didn't dominate.
Granted, the Arkansas and UL..L? ...M? games weren't exactly world-beater performances, but Arkansas has been surprisingly strong in most losses, and ULwhichever was a freshman QB making his first start. And y'all crushed USC. Call it a fluke if you like, but you might as well call the Bama game a fluke too. Either way, the team is clearly capable of dominating performances.
Trust me, I know about despairing at my team's performance. I get it. But everyone has bad runs. Saban and Miles have had bad runs with more talent than most teams can shake a stick at. TAMU is nowhere close to "one of the worst teams in the FBS" and anyone who says so needs to get off the ledge and stop self-medicating with angst rock and the ichor of unborn babies.
Granted, the Arkansas and UL..L? ...M? games weren't exactly world-beater performances, but Arkansas has been surprisingly strong in most losses, and ULwhichever was a freshman QB making his first start. And y'all crushed USC. Call it a fluke if you like, but you might as well call the Bama game a fluke too. Either way, the team is clearly capable of dominating performances.
Trust me, I know about despairing at my team's performance. I get it. But everyone has bad runs. Saban and Miles have had bad runs with more talent than most teams can shake a stick at. TAMU is nowhere close to "one of the worst teams in the FBS" and anyone who says so needs to get off the ledge and stop self-medicating with angst rock and the ichor of unborn babies.
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