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re: I am completely satisfied with this outcome.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 10:34 am to UGAalum08
Posted on 10/30/14 at 10:34 am to UGAalum08
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I'm going to have to pull out your favorite analogy of speeding while driving. I do speed when I drive, but that doesn't mean that my desire to live is not a priority. I want more than anything to be alive to see my family, but I am willing to take on some risk to get home in 30 minutes instead of 35 minutes. It's a calculated risk. I can say with 99.999% certainty that doing 15 over will not get me killed, but I do realize that by speeding, I am taking on some added risk.
Hahaa, OK. What's missing is your analogy is weighted priority. I would contend that the chance of Gurley getting caught signing hundreds of items on different occasions and said items appearing publicly on the internet were much greater than the .001% in your hypothetical situation and that Gurley was well aware that the risk was much higher than you suggest.
Now let's suppose the goals of a Heisman Trophy and a possible NC run at UGA are represented by a case of nitroglycerin explosives in the trunk of your car. Are you still going to risk driving 15 miles per hour over the speed limit with 99.999% confidence that you will not be killed?
No, I would still contend that the Heisman and UGA's best interests were not high priorities for Mr. Gurley in this situation. And beyond any conjecture about calculation vs stupid is as stupid does, the bottom line is Gurley is simply out money he was not entitled to in the first place based on NCAA rules (he rolled the dice and lost but hey, hey wasn't putting up any of his own money) and he is missing 4 games in which he might have been injured potentially jeopardizing his pro career. Intentional or not, I would say that Gurley has actually increased the odds in his favor of having a successful career in the NFL.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 10:36 am
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Posted on 10/30/14 at 10:45 am to davesdawgs
Getting killed was an extreme example, sure, just a stretch I used to make a point.
A fair example would be tailgating somebody while doing 15 over. I personally don't do that because my odds of doing it without consequence are too low for me, but people do it all over the place. Get on 85 and somewhere within viewing distance you'll see somebody doing it. Get on in ATL and 50% of drivers are doing it. Doesn't mean they rank trip time above a fender bender on their list of priorities. Ask any of those people whether they'd rather get home 5 minutes early or get in a fender bender and shell out a couple grand.
Their priority is getting home without being two grand lighter in the wallet. However, that won't stop them from tailgating. They think they can get away with it. If and when they are wrong, it doesn't all of a sudden mean that their original intention was "frick it, I don't care if I get in a wreck, I want to get home 5 minutes early". Their original intention was always the same: I'm going to speed and tailgate because I don't think it will bite me.
Likewise, Gurley probably thought he could get away with this. Just because he was wrong does not mean he had did not care about his team/titles/heisman. He just (A) didn't calculate the risk correctly OR (B) did calculate it correctly and unfortunately pulled the short straw. In the case of A, it was a stupid decision, but it was not malicious.
A fair example would be tailgating somebody while doing 15 over. I personally don't do that because my odds of doing it without consequence are too low for me, but people do it all over the place. Get on 85 and somewhere within viewing distance you'll see somebody doing it. Get on in ATL and 50% of drivers are doing it. Doesn't mean they rank trip time above a fender bender on their list of priorities. Ask any of those people whether they'd rather get home 5 minutes early or get in a fender bender and shell out a couple grand.
Their priority is getting home without being two grand lighter in the wallet. However, that won't stop them from tailgating. They think they can get away with it. If and when they are wrong, it doesn't all of a sudden mean that their original intention was "frick it, I don't care if I get in a wreck, I want to get home 5 minutes early". Their original intention was always the same: I'm going to speed and tailgate because I don't think it will bite me.
Likewise, Gurley probably thought he could get away with this. Just because he was wrong does not mean he had did not care about his team/titles/heisman. He just (A) didn't calculate the risk correctly OR (B) did calculate it correctly and unfortunately pulled the short straw. In the case of A, it was a stupid decision, but it was not malicious.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:07 am to UGAalum08
Bottom line: I'm giving Gurley more credit for thinking things through and you are giving him less. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. I see both views as valid since neither us actually knows that mind of this young man but from my perspective the ignorance/miscalculation factors simply don't add up. Yea, I can buy that A.J. Green made a single mistake/miscalculation in selling a single jersey but there is a huge difference in what Green did and what Gurley did and both received essentially the same punishment, a 4 game suspension.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:19 am to davesdawgs
Agreed. Also agree on AJ vs Gurley. As far as the suspensions being the same, that's because the NCAA only cares about dollar amount, and that's one of many things the NCAA has backwards. Money is more important than behavior in the NCAA handbook. In their defense, amount exchanged can be quantified but behavior cannot. It's easier to sentence on something objective than it is something subjective.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:31 am to davesdawgs
So at what point do you think your cold calculating version of Todd Gurley hatched his nefarious scheme to improve his NFL chances by breaking the rules? Was it two years ago when he first started selling autographs, as an 18 year old freshman? He must be very good at predicting the future. OK, I'll become the best running back in the land, launch into the Heisman race by mid 2014, take my 4 game penalty at the end of my Georgia career and laugh all the way to the bank. And I know that I won't break any other rules/laws in the interim, or get injured, or do anything else to damage my draft stock.
Or, maybe Gurley was just an average 18 year old kid who saw a chance for easy money and took it while underestimating the risk of the possible consequences for himself and the team. Why would you assume the very worst possible scenario, that Gurley doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself and he somehow concocted this plot and executed it to perfection? I've seen plenty of kids make similar, or much worse decisions, and I can't remember a single one that put quite that much planning into a complicated plot to game the system and then timed it out just perfectly. I think you've done way too much thinking about a young man's miscalculation. Simple explanations are usually the right explanation. He needed/wanted some extra cash, he was young and immature and thought he'd get away with it, and now he regrets having done it.
Or, maybe Gurley was just an average 18 year old kid who saw a chance for easy money and took it while underestimating the risk of the possible consequences for himself and the team. Why would you assume the very worst possible scenario, that Gurley doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself and he somehow concocted this plot and executed it to perfection? I've seen plenty of kids make similar, or much worse decisions, and I can't remember a single one that put quite that much planning into a complicated plot to game the system and then timed it out just perfectly. I think you've done way too much thinking about a young man's miscalculation. Simple explanations are usually the right explanation. He needed/wanted some extra cash, he was young and immature and thought he'd get away with it, and now he regrets having done it.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:35 am to wdhalgren
@wdhalgren
In other news, I finally agree with you on something 
In other news, I finally agree with you on something
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:36 am to UGAalum08
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I'm going to have to pull out your favorite analogy of speeding while driving. I do speed when I drive, but that doesn't mean that my desire to live is not a priority. I want more than anything to be alive to see my family, but I am willing to take on some risk to get home in 30 minutes instead of 35 minutes. It's a calculated risk. I can say with 99.999% certainty that doing 15 over will not get me killed, but I do realize that by speeding, I am taking on some added risk.
Are we still talking about this highway analagy? Think about think in context then: When I drive down Hwy 21 to Savannah and the speed limit says 55, I think that’s a silly rule and want to drive 80. But when I drive 80, I get in trouble and have to face the consequences. I don’t get to stand in front of the judge and declare that I thought it was a dumb rule, he or she agree with me and send me on my way.
I know...bringing it up again since you got me yesterday. Guess I just couldn't leave well enough alone
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:39 am to Spaceman Spiff
Nobody is arguing that Gurley should not have been punished. I disagree with the rule and think it needs to be abolished, but until it is, I realize that if you violate the rule, you deserve whatever punishment is set out in the rulebook. That's what happened so far.
The argument here is Gurley's original intention. Some people think he placed money and his own interests above the team/titles/heisman and was prepared to get caught. Others think he decided to take a calculated risk...which he now likely regrets.
The argument here is Gurley's original intention. Some people think he placed money and his own interests above the team/titles/heisman and was prepared to get caught. Others think he decided to take a calculated risk...which he now likely regrets.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:47 am to UGAalum08
I will agree with everything you said. Gurley, like most of today's youth (and into the 20s), don't think or worry about the consequences of their actions. I seriously doubt he was looking into the future, but I do feel that he knew going into his freshman year that he had a good chance - hell, the ranking/recruiting/fan reaction put that mindset in. Like all young people, he has the superman mentality and think nothing will happen, so damn the consequences.
Do I think he is sorry? Only for getting caught, and that's it. Especially after how his stock rose his freshman year.
After I had some time to digest the news, I am very disappointed in him and his choice to continue to keep doing it. As someone else said on here, he seemed to be a breath of fresh air in light of our RB troubles before him. His image - and to some extent, the school's because he is a rep - has been tarnished. What could have been a shining example of what is good about football has just turned into another money boy. It is what it is.
However, I am so sick of all these threads!
Do I think he is sorry? Only for getting caught, and that's it. Especially after how his stock rose his freshman year.
After I had some time to digest the news, I am very disappointed in him and his choice to continue to keep doing it. As someone else said on here, he seemed to be a breath of fresh air in light of our RB troubles before him. His image - and to some extent, the school's because he is a rep - has been tarnished. What could have been a shining example of what is good about football has just turned into another money boy. It is what it is.
However, I am so sick of all these threads!
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:53 am to Spaceman Spiff
Yeah, I'm afraid there's no guarantee he'll change either. The NFL (and pop culture) is evidence of people who think, and in many cases ARE, excluded from the rules of society that everybody else has to follow.
Me too. I'm really sick of talking about speeding. I'm actually starting to convince myself I'm a bad person for doing it
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I am so sick of all these threads!
Me too. I'm really sick of talking about speeding. I'm actually starting to convince myself I'm a bad person for doing it
Posted on 10/30/14 at 11:57 am to UGAalum08
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:35 pm to UGAalum08
Here's a story for you..... A young man just 20 years of age is married with a loving wife and multiple children. However, he is unfaithful having sex with multiple rich women. Of course someone rats him out and he has a lot of explaining to do to his wife, his children, her family and a higher authority.
Now his wife understands how his older brother, A.J., was unfaithful on one occasion and was forgiven by his wife and family after paying the price administered by the higher authority. What she doesn't understand is how her husband could have been unfaithful multiple times over multiple years in spite of his brother's example and repeated warnings by his wife.
Conclusion: The wife accepts the unfaithful husband back into the family but she and her children never feel that same way about him again. And yea, the husband probably does love his wife and children in his own way but not enough to remain faithful to them.
Now his wife understands how his older brother, A.J., was unfaithful on one occasion and was forgiven by his wife and family after paying the price administered by the higher authority. What she doesn't understand is how her husband could have been unfaithful multiple times over multiple years in spite of his brother's example and repeated warnings by his wife.
Conclusion: The wife accepts the unfaithful husband back into the family but she and her children never feel that same way about him again. And yea, the husband probably does love his wife and children in his own way but not enough to remain faithful to them.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:42 pm to davesdawgs
Damn, how long did it take to come up with that?
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:44 pm to davesdawgs
So basically you never get laid. Got it.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:45 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Damn, how long did it take to come up with that?
In less than 5 minutes actually.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:47 pm to IT_Dawg
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So basically you never get laid. Got it.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:52 pm to davesdawgs
Evidently dds is a spiritual man. I like it. 
You sir though, have become an angry soul lately.
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So basically you never get laid. Got it
You sir though, have become an angry soul lately.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:56 pm to IT_Dawg
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So basically you never get laid. Got it.
Basically you don't know what you're talking about as is often the case and ignored the point of the parable.
And for your information, not that it's any of your business, my wife and I at 62 are still on a roughly every 2 week sex schedule. Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:57 pm to davesdawgs
Damn... I need to talk to my wife then
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:25 pm to athenslife101
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The system will always reward cheaters.
The Clash said it best:
"I don't know what can be done about it
If you play the game you get nothing out of it
Find out for yourself: try bein' a goody-goody
You better cheat cheat, no reason to play fair
Cheat, cheat or don't get anywhere
Cheat, cheat if you can't win
Nobody knows what they are doing
Beyond your control, Friday night's a ruin
You wanna survive, you better learn how to lie
You better cheat cheat, no reason to play fair
Cheat, cheat or don't get anywhere
Cheat, cheat if you can't win
Don't use the rules
They're not for you, they're for the fools
And you're a fool if you don't know that
So use the rules you stupid fool"
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