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I am completely satisfied with this outcome.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:57 pm
A little rambling but;
Let's review the facts. Gurley was told not to do something. He did it multiple times. He thought he wouldn't get caught. He did. He's an idiot. One of many football players who have passed through the program. The fact that he did it more than once is negligible. Every time he did it, he learned that he wouldn't get caught, the taboo weakened, until he did. He's an idiot. He is an idiot that by all accounts does want to win a championship for georgia and is a popular member of the team. It appears that UGA handled it poorly but I can't speak to that or the NCAA's rumored interactions cause that's rumors. The guilty party confessed and got punished. Being kicked off the team was a very probably action, but he didn't. That would have been extreme. We have players every year who do a lot worse but get much less punishments. But he did deserve to be punished. Georgia should win these next two games and if they don't they have no one to blame but themselves. No team should have to rely on one player. And we were for sure going to be without him next year so better learn to win without him not. And if gurley is kicked off the team, moral would be a huge moral issue on the team. We still get him back for our biggest games of the year. I'm perfectly comfortable right now with how this all played out. IMHO
Let's review the facts. Gurley was told not to do something. He did it multiple times. He thought he wouldn't get caught. He did. He's an idiot. One of many football players who have passed through the program. The fact that he did it more than once is negligible. Every time he did it, he learned that he wouldn't get caught, the taboo weakened, until he did. He's an idiot. He is an idiot that by all accounts does want to win a championship for georgia and is a popular member of the team. It appears that UGA handled it poorly but I can't speak to that or the NCAA's rumored interactions cause that's rumors. The guilty party confessed and got punished. Being kicked off the team was a very probably action, but he didn't. That would have been extreme. We have players every year who do a lot worse but get much less punishments. But he did deserve to be punished. Georgia should win these next two games and if they don't they have no one to blame but themselves. No team should have to rely on one player. And we were for sure going to be without him next year so better learn to win without him not. And if gurley is kicked off the team, moral would be a huge moral issue on the team. We still get him back for our biggest games of the year. I'm perfectly comfortable right now with how this all played out. IMHO
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:59 pm to athenslife101
Calling him names serves no purpose. I am not satisfied because the system rewards cheaters.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:01 pm to athenslife101
you should have just put this as a response to the thread that asks " Are you satisfied with this outcome?"
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:03 pm to athens-ga
Who called him names?
The system will always reward cheaters. That's why there are social taboos around cheating. But the essence of being a cheater is to not be caught. If you have confidence in what you do, everyone else can go play with themselves.
The system will always reward cheaters. That's why there are social taboos around cheating. But the essence of being a cheater is to not be caught. If you have confidence in what you do, everyone else can go play with themselves.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:15 pm to athenslife101
My God as soon as something bad happens this place gets swarmed with counts.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:20 pm to Trashman
To me? I've been here for awhile. And what did I say that was countish?
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:12 am to athenslife101
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Let's review the facts. Gurley was told not to do something. He did it multiple times.
Yep
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He thought he wouldn't get caught.
I am less certain about this point.
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He did.
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He's an idiot.
I don't believe this. He knew exactly what he was doing and I believe he considered the possible consequences. Think about it. You don't get caught and you get some nice extra spending money. You do get caught and get suspended reducing your chance of getting injured and risking a multi-million dollar pay day.
I'm not saying that was his plan but I can see an agent advising a potential star client to do exactly what Gurley did. Gurley has already been injured himself and has seen Marshall sustain a devastating injury from which he might well never fully recover. I would not be surprised if this factored into his decision to violate NCAA rules multiple times in spite of ongoing education about the consequences.
No, I don't think Gurley is stupid and I don't think he made a mistake. I think he made a personal choice.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 12:26 am to davesdawgs
I never said Gurley is stupid. I said he was an idiot. Stupid is forever, idiots can be issue by issue. I think he had some idea of the consequences, but I don't think he ever really considered getting caught. He wants to play and I have no doubt of that. And I have no doubt he would have done things differently if he could redo them. But he thought he could get away with it and he wasn't careful and he was caught.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 6:25 am to athenslife101
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To me? I've been here for awhile. And what did I do that was countish?
1) You started a thread, when there is already a thread specifically asking what your post is answering. There are 50 Gurley threads already.
2( You think your thought is some revolutionary concept on this whole situation, then argue with others that disagree with you, which has also happened in the other threads
Posted on 10/30/14 at 7:07 am to IT_Dawg
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1) You started a thread, when there is already a thread specifically asking what your post is answering. There are 50 Gurley threads already.
2( You think your thought is some revolutionary concept on this whole situation, then argue with others that disagree with you, which has also happened in the other threads
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Posted on 10/30/14 at 8:03 am to TallyDawg
Gurley did this to himself.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 8:21 am to athenslife101
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I never said Gurley is stupid. I said he was an idiot. Stupid is forever, idiots can be issue by issue.
Valid distinction.
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But he thought he could get away with it and he wasn't careful and he was caught.
Maybe but the "he wasn't careful" part suggests that he wasn't concerned about getting caught.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 8:21 am to davesdawgs
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Maybe but the "he wasn't careful" part suggests that he wasn't concerned about getting caught.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 8:53 am to athenslife101
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Stupid is forever, idiots can be issue by issue.
I like that. Pretty profound.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 8:56 am to DaveyDownerDawg
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Stupid is forever, idiots can be issue by issue.
but stupid is as stupid does....
Posted on 10/30/14 at 9:08 am to IT_Dawg
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but stupid is as stupid does....
Posted on 10/30/14 at 9:10 am to DaveyDownerDawg
Life is like a box of chocolates....10% joy and the rest is crap.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 9:12 am to Broncothor
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Life is like a box of chocolates....10% joy and the rest is crap.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 9:56 am to IT_Dawg
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but stupid is as stupid does....
While I agree with this axiom in general (from one of my favorite movies), I don't think it applies in this case at least not from Gurley's perspective. Ignorance of the law, the rule in the case, is not an explanation. Gurley made an informed choice to do what he did not once but many times.
Sure from the perspective of almost everyone else it is portrayed as a mistake; actually no, A.J. Green made a single mistake, Gurley made many supposed mistakes. But I think of a mistake as something done unintentionally and that just doesn't add up in this case.
No doubt Gurley hoped that he would get away with it, make some extra cash and move on to the NFL as a multi-millionaire. But he was obviously not careful in how he handled his rule violations and freely admitted said violations. This does not seem like the behavior of someone particularly concerned about the consequences. Rather is seems more like someone who made a calculated choice.
Perhaps from Gurley's perspective and that of the objective observer, it was a no lose scenario. Get away with it and you have an extra 3k in spending money until you move on to the pros. Get caught and you have a 4 game suspension that guards against injury and the potential loss of millions of dollars. What is clear is that the Heisman Trophy and a possible championship run at UGA were not priorities for Todd Gurley.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 10:10 am to davesdawgs
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What is clear is that the Heisman Trophy and a possible championship run at UGA were not priorities for Todd Gurley.
I'm going to have to pull out your favorite analogy of speeding while driving. I do speed when I drive, but that doesn't mean that my desire to live is not a priority. I want more than anything to be alive to see my family, but I am willing to take on some risk to get home in 30 minutes instead of 35 minutes. It's a calculated risk. I can say with 99.999% certainty that doing 15 over will not get me killed, but I do realize that by speeding, I am taking on some added risk.
Likewise, the Heisman/Title race could very well have been more important to Gurley than $3,000...but he took a calculated risk. He may have thought he had a 99% chance of getting away with it. Unfortunately, either his odds of getting away with it were way lower than he thought, or he was incredibly unlucky.
If you're going to claim that Gurley's priorities were not the Heisman, his team, or titles, then you should also claim that my desire to be alive is not my priority because I speed when I drive...and you would be incorrect.
Disclaimer to avoid stone throwing from sane posters:
I am not trying to claim that I know for a fact that Gurley actually did care about his team, the Heisman, titles, etc...but I also don't think that anybody other than Gurley himself can say anything to the contrary. I am also not trying to defend Gurley or say that he didn't do anything wrong. What I am saying is that nobody can say he did it maliciously or without any care for anybody other than himself.
Good article from Mike Rowe, which is kinda sorta related: LINK
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 10:19 am
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