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re: Russillo vs kanell (SEC FIGHT)
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:28 pm to BearBait09
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:28 pm to BearBait09
Arizona has a fluky win over a bad Cal team, a close win over mediocre Nevada, and a very tight win over horrid UTSA. Losing to them at home as a supposed nation contender is unacceptable. Bama losing to a national title contender on the road isn't.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:38 pm to EC Reb
we had no idea ole miss was a national title contender before they beat alabama.
How do you people not understand that this is just a reinforcement of Kanells argument? By the way, I am not claiming these things as my own opinion, I'm just trying to provide some clarity.
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Oregon lost at home. Alabama lost on the road.
Oregon was a 22.5 pt favorite. Alabama was a 4.5 - 6 pt favorite.
Come on.
How do you people not understand that this is just a reinforcement of Kanells argument? By the way, I am not claiming these things as my own opinion, I'm just trying to provide some clarity.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:40 pm to BearBait09
Arizona went from unranked to #10 after beating Oregon, they got plenty of credit for that win. And Oregon got the appropriate amount of criticism for the loss.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:44 pm to BearBait09
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How do you people not understand that this is just a reinforcement of Kanells argument? By the way, I am not claiming these things as my own opinion, I'm just trying to provide some clarity.
How does one being at home and one being on the road have anything to do with SEC Bias? Are Vegas oddsmakers intentionally blowing up lines for SEC bias?
Come on - the experts (the guys whose job it is to set things, not bloggers) clearly thought Ole Miss was a solid team and that Alabama had to travel there. Nobody really knew much about Arizona and Oregon was playing at home. On top of that Arizona controlled the Oregon game and Alabama and Ole Miss was very much back and forth (actually Alabama controlled much of it).
I think the fact that Oregon dropped a bit more than Alabama makes perfect sense given all of those totally unbiased facts. It isn't like Oregon dropped to #21st, they were thouroughly outplayed in a home game against a team that Vegas wasn't convinced was real good (based on prior performances, I might add) and they dropped appropriately. Alabama lost a close road game in which they led most of the game to a team they were less than a TD favorite against.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:53 pm to BearBait09
How is that a reinforcement of his argument?
His argument is Bama got special consideration because they are SEC while Oregon did not.
His argument is Bama got special consideration because they are SEC while Oregon did not.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:54 pm to UMRealist
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How is that a reinforcement of his argument?
His argument is Bama got special consideration because they are SEC while Oregon did not.
Unless vegas lines are off by 7-10 points based on SEC bias then yea, doesn't make any sense.
Kannell is a doofus.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:55 pm to UMRealist
quote:Well they did. Oregon loses to undefeated in conference foe, the results were, "they suck, overrated" Bama loses to undefeated conference foe, "willy nilly the SEC is so deep and loaded this year"
His argument is Bama got special consideration because they are SEC while Oregon did not.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:58 pm to lsupride87
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Well they did. Oregon loses to undefeated in conference foe, the results were, "they suck, overrated" Bama loses to undefeated conference foe, "willy nilly the SEC is so deep and loaded this year"
Again.........
Oregon lost AT HOME to a team Vegas said was a 21 pt underdog in a game they trailed the whole way. Arizona had won by 3 over UTSA and 7 over Nevada.
Alabama lost ON THE ROAD to a team Vegas said was 5-6 pt underdog in a game they led for most of. Ole Miss had beaten Boise by 22, ULL by 41 and Memphis by 21.
And with all that said, Oregon dropped roughly 4-5 spots more than Alabama.
Not seeing the SEC Bias here.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:59 pm to lsupride87
Totally different as the poster above stated.
Bama lost on the road to a top 11 team they were favored to beat 4-6 points.
Oregon lost AT HOME to an unranked opponent they were favored to beat by 22.
Unless you are trying to claim that OM was ranked that high that early in the season bc of SEC bias. In that case you could say the same thing about every single team in the country who was ranked.
Bama lost on the road to a top 11 team they were favored to beat 4-6 points.
Oregon lost AT HOME to an unranked opponent they were favored to beat by 22.
Unless you are trying to claim that OM was ranked that high that early in the season bc of SEC bias. In that case you could say the same thing about every single team in the country who was ranked.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:00 pm to UMRealist
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Unless you are trying to claim that OM was ranked that high that early in the season bc of SEC bias. In that case you could say the same thing about every single team in the country who was ranked.
Not to mention that Vegas pretty clearly expected the UA-OM game to be close and expected Oregon to blow out Arizona.
Those guys generally don't deal in "bias" except for MAYBE a few pts either way because of public opinion based on bias.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:01 pm to UMRealist
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lost on the road to a top 11 team
quote:His argument would be
AT HOME to an unranked opponent
quote:I dont agree with everything he says but I understand his logic. It isnt that far fetched. And like I said, he still says the SEC is the best conference
OM was ranked that high that early in the season bc of SEC bias
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Well, do you and the Ole Miss fans agree with Vegas LSU is about the same as Ole Miss then?
Not to mention that Vegas pretty clearly expected the UA-OM game to be close and expected Oregon to blow out Arizona.
Those guys generally don't deal in "bias" except for MAYBE a few pts either way because of public opinion based on bias.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:02 pm to lsupride87
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I dont agree with everything he says but I understand his logic. It isnt that far fetched. And like I said, he still says the SEC is the best conference
- Vegas
- home vs away
- previous performance of both teams
In conclusion, he's a turd looking for people to blow up his twitter account and get more airtime on ESPN.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:03 pm to BearBait09
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it has proved itself in the national championship. The SEC has actually performed poorly in other bowls.
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Since 2006, the SEC has won 17 bowl games against nonconference opponents ranked in the Top 25 (at the time the game was played), including 10 over top-10 teams. In January bowl games, the SEC is 22-10 (.688), excluding last year's BCS title game. Since 2008, the league is 16-6 (.727) in January games.
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While the SEC has thrived during the postseason, the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 all have struggled to match the SEC's bowl success. The Pac-12 is right below the SEC in winning percentage with a 16-12 (.571) record. The Big 12 is 25-22 (.532), the ACC is 19-31 (.380) and the Big Ten is 17-30 (.362). The SEC has gone 28-13 against the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 in bowl games. The SEC is 16-7 (.696) all-time in BCS bowl games and since 2006 is 9-3 (.750) in BCS games, which is more wins and a higher percentage than any other conference. The win total actually equals the combined total of wins by the next two highest conferences.
derp
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
This is the same guy who was talking about how bad West Virginia was due to the prior year (no bias there) and now talks about the depth of the Big XII due to WVU and Kansas State, yet somehow skirts the idea that Alabama and Auburn had good wins over those teams.
If you get irritated by his schtick then you are dumb.
If you get irritated by his schtick then you are dumb.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
He likes to use the transitive property a lot too.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:12 pm to UMRealist
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He likes to use the transitive property a lot too.
When it favors him, of course. Even 2nd and 3rd level transitives work for him.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
you obviously didn't listen to the actual podcast, because that was brought up during the conversation and Kanell said he now considers WVU a good win for Alabama based on his reevaluation of WVU.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:20 pm to BearBait09
quote:Yep. I dont think 99% of the people actually listen to what he says. I mean the himself even says the SEC is the best conference
you obviously didn't listen to the actual podcast, because that was brought up during conversation and Kanell said he now considers WVU a good win for Alabama based his reevaluation of WVU.
His whole point is what the reactions are right when something happens. This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:23 pm to lsupride87
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Yep. I dont think 99% of the people actually listen to what he says. I mean the himself even says the SEC is the best conference
I've been reading his twitter junk since he initially came on at ESPN.
His agenda is clear
(1) prop up FSU
(2) find whoever he can to antagonize and get riled up for responses
(3) this, plus the FSU stuff, leads to massive trolling of the SEC
(4) he very specifically loves to target Alabama because, shockingly, they have 24M crazy fans on twitter who will tweet at him all day long and probably get him time on ESPN and ESPN Radio
He now has a "schtick" as the "anti-SEC guy" and he runs around the various ESPN entities perpetuating that schtick. He will always be that guy no matter what happens in CFB, because if he isn't then he is out of a job.
Pretty simple.
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