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re: Everyone who thinks 2 SEC teams have a shot at getting to the playoff is wrong
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:38 pm to bigpapamac
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:38 pm to bigpapamac
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I meant projecting forward from today we wouldn't get two in if you project an unbeaten FSU, a 1-loss Oregon, and a 1-loss champ from the Big 10 or Big 12. Plus 1-loss ND. There'd be no way a second 1-loss SEC team gets in.
Absolute insanity talk.
A one-loss SEC team trumps the resumes of all those teams also with a loss. By alot.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:40 pm to JesusQuintana
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Let's say, Miss St [ETA "or Ole Miss"] goes undefeated. Meets a 1 loss UGA in Atlanta. UGA wins. Conference champ is going for sure. FSU will be undefeated. MSU would have by far the best 1 loss resume.
I think that's the best case scenario for the SEC getting 2...while I think it's possible the SEC can get 2 in, I tend to agree with the OP. I see the committee being very political...
In lieu of a Jameis Winston suspension, FSU probably runs the table...and the SEC champ is most likely in. That leaves 2 slots...here are the teams I think would definitely get in before a 2nd SEC team:
A 1-loss PAC-12 champion Oregon
A 1-loss Big 10 champion Michigan State
A 1-loss Notre Dame (especially if FSU runs the table)
Depending upon how much influence a conference championship has on the committee, here are some teams that might get in before another SEC team:
A 1-loss PAC-12 champ Arizona/Arizona State
A 1-loss Big 10 champ Ohio State/Nebraska
A 1-loss Big 12 champ TCU/Baylor/Kansas State
I'm not saying those teams would be better, just that I think the committee will exhaust any opportunity to deny a second team from any conference, much less the SEC. Just imagine the uproar if there are two 1-loss Power 5 champs that get left out of the play-off; I don't think the committee wants to face the media storm/controversy that would involve, especially in its first year...
The biggest threat is Oregon and a 1-loss Big 10 champ (I think ND loses on the road to either ASU or USC); got a feeling the committee will try to keep the Big 10 happy if they get the chance. Just gotta hope at least 2 of the other conference champs have a couple of losses and that could happen...
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:03 pm to GeorgiaDawgs1119
With the perception being so heavily in favor of the SECw over the SECe it's hard to say. Certainly another situation the committee would struggle with.
I don't see how they could take the SECw team over Georgia, but I don't see how they could justify taking two SEC teams if one of them has two losses. You can't give preference to SEC over champs and then give preference to champ SEC over better resume other conference too, would be using opposing arguments.
I don't see 1 loss ND getting passed over. They have played a very good schedule and would have very good wins, and an extraordinarily forgivable loss. Honestly the FSU-ND result on saturday was an absolute disaster for everyone besides those two schools.
I don't see how they could take the SECw team over Georgia, but I don't see how they could justify taking two SEC teams if one of them has two losses. You can't give preference to SEC over champs and then give preference to champ SEC over better resume other conference too, would be using opposing arguments.
I don't see 1 loss ND getting passed over. They have played a very good schedule and would have very good wins, and an extraordinarily forgivable loss. Honestly the FSU-ND result on saturday was an absolute disaster for everyone besides those two schools.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:06 pm to Cheese Grits
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Book mark this thread and we will see
The only way I see 2 1 loss SEC teams even having a chance is if the ACC + B12 + B1G + PAC + Notre Dame have nothing but 2 loss teams between them.
Put down the SEC Kool Aid and put on the reading glasses worn by conference commissioners outside of the SEC.
Are you paying attention to college football this year?
The parity isn't just in the SEC, it's all over the country.
The Big 12 and Pac 12 haven't played half of their schedules yet, and already neither conference has an undefeated team. The Big 12 ALWAYS backloads its schedule to make up for the fact that they don't have a championship game. TCU is the only team that has a chance to emerge from that conference with only one loss, and they have to play West Virginia and Kansas State back-to-back weeks.
The Pac 12 needs Oregon to win out from here, and I actually think they will. I have them in the playoff.
Notre Dame is a very good team, but they still have road games with Arizona State and USC. It's way more likely than not that they lose another game.
That leaves the Big Ten. Michigan State/Ohio State winner is the only team with a shot. However, are you going to put that champion (from the worst Power 5 conference who did worse OOC than any other conference) over an 11-1 SEC team? What criteria would they have to back that? ONLY the fact that they were a conference champion. That wouldn't hold up over all of the other resume evidence. The committee isn't full of stupid people like most people like to believe.
The SEC has an advantage in that it still has 2 undefeated teams. One of them (Ole Miss), gets all of their tough remaining opponents at home. If there are 2 one-loss teams at the end of the season out of the SEC, they're both going to get in.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:08 pm to engie
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A one-loss SEC team trumps the resumes of all those teams also with a loss. By alot.
I completely agree. But the committee won't put a second team in in front of those other 1-loss conference champs. Won't happen.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:09 pm to BayouBengals03
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BayouBengals03
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Michigan State Fan
liar!
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:13 pm to cokebottleag
Well, yeah, if you expect one of the to be ATM.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:15 pm to cokebottleag
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stop 1/9 from happening again, ever
Wrong, always
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:30 pm to Pettifogger
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Another problem would be a potential rematch.
Playoffs have rematches all the time. I've never understood the "anti-rematch" vibe. Sure, in 2011 there was some reason to not like it, but if you're going to use the term "playoff" you have to disregard the idea of rematches.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:42 pm to BayouBengals03
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Are you paying attention to college football this year?
Yes, very much so. If you are not please look at the possible teams available for 1 of the 4 playoff spots. To make it easier to see without SEC vision, I have removed the SEC teams from this list.
(1) Undefeated team
Florida State
(13) 1 loss teams
Duke
Kansas State & Baylor & TCU
Michigan State & Ohio State & Minnesota & Nebraska
Notre Dame
Oregon & Arizona State & Arizona & Utah
(15) 2 loss teams - granted not likely at this point but listed till eliminated by 3rd loss
Clemson & Louisville & Georgia Tech
West Virginia & Oklahoma State & Oklahoma
Maryland & Rutgers & Penn State & Iowa & Wisconsin
Washington & Oregon State & Southern Cal & UCLA
That is 16 schools and 16 different college presidents who would not like to see an SEC team take their spot. Not counting the SEC that is 16 schools trying to get 1 of 4 spots.
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The parity isn't just in the SEC, it's all over the country.
That very well may be but the SEC is outnumbered 4-1 among the Big 5 and 5-1 if you add in Notre Dame. They can talk SoS and all kinds of crap to make the public happy but behind closed doors they will be getting marching orders from conference bosses.
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The committee isn't full of stupid people like most people like to believe.
I agree with this, but look who put them in power and it was not the fans like you and me. It was somebody higher up who has the ability to pull their strings.
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If there are 2 one-loss teams at the end of the season out of the SEC, they're both going to get in.
You keep thinking that and come back to this thread after the 4 playoff teams have been picked and show me. I really hope your answer is the correct one, but feel mine will be the reality.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:56 pm to VABuckeye
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VABuckeye
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Why does an Aggie fan even care? The 4 team playoff is something you'll never see.
Why the frick are you on an SEC board spouting your bullshite to us? The East is a shitshow this year and even those teams (except for Vandy and maybe Florida at this point) would kick your arse up and down the field. Hell, your vaunted program has NEVER beaten SCar. Moral of the story: Y'all are a fricking pretender of a team in an even bigger pretender of a conference.
The only thing the Buckeyes have going for them that the SEC doesn't is an innovative band. 'Grats on that.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:08 pm to GeorgiaDawgs1119
The SEC needs some of the other power 5 conferences to have a 2 loss champ. That's the bottom line. It would be really hard for the committee to leave out an 11-1 Alabama or Auburn over a 11-2 Ohio State or Oregon. I think the Big 12 and Pac 12 could both have a 2 loss champ this year, and if MSU and OSU play twice this year and swap losses, they could have a 2 loss champ as well which would almost guarantee 2 SEC teams in. Alot of variables, but I'd say there's at least a 20% chance that it happens, and that will go up with every key loss from big teams in other conferences.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:10 pm to BayouBengals03
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I know I won't convince everyone
Stopped reading
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:16 pm to cokebottleag
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Except MSU won't have a conf championship.
Which conference championship will Notre Dame have?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:20 pm to DawgsLife
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Which conference championship will Notre Dame have?
They don't need one. They have a very large and powerful brand name
Notre Dame = Microsoft
Mississippi State = Ed's software store
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:21 pm to cokebottleag
Big 10 & Big 12 likely won't have a team make the playoff
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:35 pm to Topwater Trout
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Big 10 & Big 12 likely won't have a team make the playoff
Yes, they will. And their 1/2 loss champ will get in over any SEC 1 loss team without a CC. That's what the committee is there to ensure happens.
Look, everyone here is missing the entire point of my OP. I'm not saying a 1 loss team in the SEC does not have a much better argument to be in the playoff than most 1 loss conf champs in the rest of the nation. I agree with you.
I'm saying it doesn't matter.
Stop and think for a sec. What was wrong with the polls that we had to make a point of ignoring them for the playoff committee? The problem with the polls is they agree with all of you with reading comprehension problems: The polls think the SEC should probably get 2-3 teams into the playoff. That's why the following people ensured that we had a committee (selected by them, I might add):
B1G commissioner
Notre Dame's AD
PAC12 commissioner
B12 commissioner
ACC commissioner
Once again: I agree the SEC's runner up is more deserving.
My argument is the committee's purpose is to keep the polls and on field performance from allowing 2 or more SEC teams into the playoff. I have yet to see anyone refute this.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:43 pm to BearBait09
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Obv SEC champ is getting in before bama, thats two spots down
Why is that obvious? What if Alabama is a better team than the SEC champs?
Why are we all assuming the SEC champs will go, why not just the best SEC team?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:58 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
The champ is the best team.
that's what being the champ means.
that's what being the champ means.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 3:05 pm to cokebottleag
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