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re: Why don't we play Rafe?

Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:26 am to
Posted by TheAggiesOverlord
rent free in aggie heads
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:26 am to
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I like a lot of the things he has come up with in regards to formations/play design. His ideas are very sound. However, I do not like the actual flow of his play calling and I think he is a terrible QB coach.

yup
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:28 am to
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While most of the time the Hog fans that get in the "that coach needs fired" group are morons, I think the Fire Chaney group is warranted. Do any of you (Hog Fans) or any of your friends think Chaney is competent?



I heard an argument that this team would be ranked and have a winning record if Houston Nutt was in charge of the play calling and not Chaney.

Think about it, its a hard thought to argue against, the majority of the play calling is towards your strength (running), the pass plays would have the majority come from under center (not as obvious as Chaney's pass calls), the routes would be simple and quick developing, which BA would like, if it isn't there get rid of it, don't wait for the receivers get to the 40 yards down field the route requires like Chaney calls.

Chaney's offense is fine, there are some good principles in it, he is just a shitty play caller.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:31 am to
We have a former college QB coach coaching the TEs.

Another coach who was a pretty good college QB, who use to coach every position on the defensive side at one time or another who's purpose now is PR work with HS and the NFL.

Sumlin was a LB, and until the inherited talent ran out was thought to be a QB Guru.
Posted by RunningBlake
Member since Aug 2011
4105 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:32 am to
A lot of "Chaney is a poor play caller," is that BA is not hitting the open man in critical situations.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:37 am to
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A lot of "Chaney is a poor play caller," is that BA is not hitting the open man in critical situations.


I think they are like multipliers.

Chaney's play calling hurts Brandon half the time and Allen's execution hurts Chaney's play calls the other half.

Its like two fat and ugly people having kids. Odds are........
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16316 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:37 am to
For the most part, Chaney isnt a bad play caller..... for a passing spread team. He's just not patient enough to call our offense. He gets ahead of himself way too much and forgets that he has Brandon Allen and Keon Hatcher and not Tyler Bray and Cordarrelle Patterson.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 12:39 am
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:40 am to
I mean, at some point if you keep calling plays that you know your QB can't run lol, does it really matter if they are open?


Petrino used to kill me with those 5 WR sets on third down. yeah i get it. theoretically the shite is supposed to work lol. But it's not working lol so stop calling it. You remember that lsu game where every third down was a 5 wide no back set and we got sacked every last fricking third down lol?
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:41 am to
This is what i would do for BA. If you are hell bent on BA, i would pick about 10 pass plays out the entire playbook and just stick with those. learn those motherfrickers inside and out. and roll with those.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:42 am to
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A lot of "Chaney is a poor play caller," is that BA is not hitting the open man in critical situations.


Tyler Bray was blamed for "not hitting the open man in critical situations" as well.

Bottom line is he calls the wrong play at the wrong time far too often is way to eager to abandon the run game, and too stubborn to utilize the running game when it isn't working via play action out of the I.

BA needs more time in the pocket, any fake, no matter how "obvious" to Jwill or AC3 is going to freeze the blitzing defenders for a moment.

Instead, when a pass is called, we go to shot gun, which in itself is an obvious pass call as we never run out of the gun, but he line ups on the field when we go to the gun leads me to believe Chaney only fricks chicks with half his dick, never goes all in.

BA in the gun with a RB beside him, two WRs to one side and 2 TEs tight on the line isn't a formation that is going to be productive, BA back in the gun is just begging 8 defenders to pin their ears and rush BA, something they are more than willing to do.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:43 am to
i agree with that. I bet that's one of those things we do for BA's comfort level though.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40851 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:44 am to
I couldn't believe it when we actually ran the ball out of shotgun in the second half. My mind was seriously blown.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 12:45 am
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:49 am to
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I couldn't believe it when we actually ran the ball out of shotgun in the second half. My mind was seriously blown.


Yeah, but do you think even UAB is going to notice that?

No, their staff will watch the first drive and go "oh, shite!", then watch the second, third, and fourth offensive drives from today, and slap the easy button on their way out of the room.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:52 am to
We also don't have any one on offense to lean on as a leader on the field.

Jonathan Williams seems to have the qualities but his rotating in and out makes that more difficult.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40851 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:54 am to
This team needs to blow the doors off of UAB next week. They need the boost in the worst possible way after the last four weeks.
Posted by opdogg20
Fayetteville
Member since Feb 2014
1104 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:55 am to
Not to change topics, but what kind of record does Bert need next season to keep his job? Does anyone think it's Bowl Game or bust in year 3?
Posted by RunningBlake
Member since Aug 2011
4105 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:57 am to
He's fine until after 2016.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40851 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:58 am to
Yes. I love Bielema but if he doesn't make a bowl game with the amount of starters coming back and an easier schedule then he should probably go. I hate to say it because I'm a huge fan but I just don't see it happening if he falls again.
Posted by opdogg20
Fayetteville
Member since Feb 2014
1104 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:02 am to
That's how I feel too. I think even some losses against perceived weaker teams (i.e. Tennessee) makes the seat really hot.
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
19003 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:02 am to
He isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

quote:


$12.8 million buyout in the first three years of the contract
$9.6 million buyout in year four
$6.4 million buyout in year five
$3.2 million buyout in year six



LINK
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 1:03 am
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40851 posts
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:09 am to
Well that does seem to be the case. I think he'll win here but I think we need a change at OC first.

All I want for Christmas is for Pittsburgh to get blown out in every game.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 1:11 am
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